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re: Could the Pelicans get James Harden?
Posted on 11/12/20 at 7:48 pm to brmark70816
Posted on 11/12/20 at 7:48 pm to brmark70816
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Posted on 11/12/20 at 8:21 pm to brmark70816
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Supposedly everybody hated Jimmy Butler in every locker room he has been in.
That's not entirely accurate. Jimmy Butler is a lot like Rondo, he rubs the soft, lazy players the wrong way, but the other half of the locker room loves him.
The problem with Harden, at least in Houston, is everything is built around his singular talent. I personally would be worried about that happening if he came here. Do we want to turn Zion into a rich man's Clint Capella, or do we want to give Zion the freedom AND responsibility to become the generational player he has the talent to become?
How would Lebron have developed differently if the Cavs had traded for Allen Iverson in LeBron's 2nd season? Just like with Harden, I'm not saying adding Iverson would have been inherently bad, but I do feel like immediately raising the floor comes at the price of lowering the ceiling by not forcing Lebron to become the player that could single handedly carry a team to the Finals year after year.
This post was edited on 11/12/20 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 11/12/20 at 8:39 pm to TigerinATL
Totally dependent on if we want to win now, or sacrifice half of Zion's 7 years here to get into contention.
Harden puts us into the 2nd round of the playoffs without debate.
It also gives us more ammo to keep Zion longer than we did AD.
The NBA isnt like the NFL. You need 3 of the top 20 players in the NBA in order with win the title. Or in the Lakers case, a Pandemic and 2 of the top 5 players in the NBA.
Harden puts us into the 2nd round of the playoffs without debate.
It also gives us more ammo to keep Zion longer than we did AD.
The NBA isnt like the NFL. You need 3 of the top 20 players in the NBA in order with win the title. Or in the Lakers case, a Pandemic and 2 of the top 5 players in the NBA.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 9:00 pm to 50_Tiger
I agree, trading for Harden isn't a hard no from me, I just wonder if it's our best option. Also, the knock on Harden is that he wilts every year in the playoffs when you need him to step up. If I can get Harden while keeping Ingram I'd be a lot more open to it than if I had to trade Ingram to get Harden.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 9:40 pm to TigerinATL
Pelicans don’t want Harden.
They just need to stay patient.
They just need to stay patient.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 9:45 pm to brmark70816
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No offense, that is a lie. You just don't like the guy. If someone said Dame, instead of Harden, everybody would sell the farm to get him. Harden is superior in pretty much every way, but people just like Dame more and think his game is more aesthetically pleasing..
Do you think we win a championship with Harden in the next two seasons?
Because unless the answer is yes, the other problem is that you would be selling off all your assets to bring in Harden as a two year rental when he almost assuredly opts out of that player option and jumps to a major market on a mega deal.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:21 pm to Bronc
I believe with Harden we more than double our chances. We are a top 4 seed and a match up nightmare. I would take that over fighting for the 8th seed.
We would still be loaded with assets and have some flexibility. Reddish, NAW, the 13th pick, all those seconds, Didi (when he finally comes).. All that with the big 3 and Redick. Plus vets will come to ring chase.
I don't think Houston actually moves Harden, especially to NO. But we can put together a great package and should if they were willing. I think its far more likely he gets moved somewhere like Philly for Simmons+..
We would still be loaded with assets and have some flexibility. Reddish, NAW, the 13th pick, all those seconds, Didi (when he finally comes).. All that with the big 3 and Redick. Plus vets will come to ring chase.
I don't think Houston actually moves Harden, especially to NO. But we can put together a great package and should if they were willing. I think its far more likely he gets moved somewhere like Philly for Simmons+..
Posted on 11/13/20 at 3:21 am to brmark70816
I mean do you remember what it cost LA to get Davis? Paul George to LAC?
The idea we would still be loaded after a Harden trade is magical thinking. We’d be emptying our draft war chest, giving up every major young talent...Because if we don’t someone else will. That’s how this works.
And if you aren’t convinced we can win a chip in 2 years, you are essentially giving away the overwhelming amount of our asset chest for a Western conference finals at best.
Which to me is not worth it, especially when you factor in all the personality issues Harden could bring.
The idea we would still be loaded after a Harden trade is magical thinking. We’d be emptying our draft war chest, giving up every major young talent...Because if we don’t someone else will. That’s how this works.
And if you aren’t convinced we can win a chip in 2 years, you are essentially giving away the overwhelming amount of our asset chest for a Western conference finals at best.
Which to me is not worth it, especially when you factor in all the personality issues Harden could bring.
Posted on 11/13/20 at 4:51 am to Bronc
I honestly don't know what it would take to get him. I threw out Ball, Hart, Hayes, Miller, #6 (from trading Holiday) and 3 future picks. That is pretty close to what we got from the Lakers for Davis. Maybe that isn't enough.
I have heard the Sixers are going to come after Harden big time. But the Rockets don't want to deal with Morey. The rumor was Simmons and Thybulle for Harden.That would trump what I put out there.
I have heard the Sixers are going to come after Harden big time. But the Rockets don't want to deal with Morey. The rumor was Simmons and Thybulle for Harden.That would trump what I put out there.
Posted on 11/13/20 at 9:11 am to brmark70816
quote:If the Sixers offer that, the Rockets really should take it and start a rebuild.
I honestly don't know what it would take to get him. I threw out Ball, Hart, Hayes, Miller, #6 (from trading Holiday) and 3 future picks. That is pretty close to what we got from the Lakers for Davis. Maybe that isn't enough.
I have heard the Sixers are going to come after Harden big time. But the Rockets don't want to deal with Morey. The rumor was Simmons and Thybulle for Harden.That would trump what I put out there.
Posted on 11/13/20 at 11:14 am to brmark70816
It's just to me this is the sort of all-in move you make in 3-5 years, not today.
You make it if maybe the Ingram/Zion core isn't quite it, or what you built is not quite enough to get over the hump. You've built a strong winning culture, with a strong team identity and good role players and depth, but just need that move to put you over the top.
And those deals will be there, we just have to be ready.
That deal today, probably, realistically, costs you Ingram. As would almost any deal for a top 10 to top 5 player.
You make it if maybe the Ingram/Zion core isn't quite it, or what you built is not quite enough to get over the hump. You've built a strong winning culture, with a strong team identity and good role players and depth, but just need that move to put you over the top.
And those deals will be there, we just have to be ready.
That deal today, probably, realistically, costs you Ingram. As would almost any deal for a top 10 to top 5 player.
Posted on 11/14/20 at 10:03 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Except for the fact that Harden has taken the Rockets to the conference finals 2 out of the 8 seasons he’s been with Houston.
Fify
And that would possibly be more, or even some Finals appearances if it wasn’t for the Warriors being stupid good during much of Harden’s stint in Houston.
You seem to harbor an irrational hatred for Harden.
Posted on 11/15/20 at 12:27 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:At this point, if you can't concede that Harden just can't get it done in the 4th quarter in the postseason, I feel like you're just being willfully naive.
Except for the fact that Harden has taken the Rockets to the conference finals 2 out of the 8 seasons he’s been with Houston.
And that would possibly be more, or even some Finals appearances if it wasn’t for the Warriors being stupid good during much of Harden’s stint in Houston.
You seem to harbor an irrational hatred for Harden.
It's not a coincidence that he continually disappears in big playoff spots.
Posted on 11/15/20 at 5:31 am to PrimeTime Money
I have an irrational hatred for Lebron, but i would take him on this team in a second because he plays winning TEAM basketball.
Whats the one common theme in Houston's 2 WCF appearances? Harden had Dwight Howard in 2015 and CP3 in 2018 to carry him while he choked.
Whats the one common theme in Houston's 2 WCF appearances? Harden had Dwight Howard in 2015 and CP3 in 2018 to carry him while he choked.
Posted on 11/15/20 at 6:59 am to Soggymoss
quote:What? Do you expect Harden to win in the playoffs with nothing but scrubs around him? Every good team you can think of has at least 2 star players.
Whats the one common theme in Houston's 2 WCF appearances? Harden had Dwight Howard in 2015 and CP3 in 2018 to carry him while he choked.
And for the record, Harden has never played with another all-star player until Westbrook. Dwight never made an all-star team in Houston, and neither did Chris Paul. Both were past their prime by the time Harden played alongside them. Dwight was meh, but Chris Paul was still really good for 1 out of the 2 seasons in Houston. And that year the Rockets were the best team in the league.
Give Harden a truly good, unselfish player next to him, like 2017-18 Chris Paul, and that team is instantly a championship team.
Posted on 11/15/20 at 8:13 am to PrimeTime Money
Rumors of the Nets being in on Harden does worry me about having an effect on Jrue’s value. Rumors of them offering Dinwiddie, Levert, Allen and maybe a pick just for Harden is poop.
Posted on 11/15/20 at 8:48 am to Fun Bunch
That’s all they have to offer though. I can’t imagine the Rockets taking it. Griff should call their bluff and tell them “If you can get Harden for that why are you still talking to me?”.
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