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Posted on 7/9/23 at 1:23 pm to TigerinATL
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I would assume this was a short extension to take some heat off and kick the can down the road. While you don't want the wrong GM in charge any longer than necessary, you also don't want any GM that feels they're on the hot seat. That's a recipe for disaster every time.
Most of the usuals on Twitter still think he’s on the hot seat, though you’re likely correct regarding the short term thing.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 1:26 pm to Epic Cajun
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You can’t blame Griff for Zion and BI being continuously injured. He put a team together that was a top 3 seed before injuries last season.
I don’t blame him for that, but I do blame him for continually running his head into the wall and expecting different results.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 1:30 pm to CP3forMVP
By no means do I think he needed an extension but he's worked with constraints of never being able to pay the tax and loads of injuries.
He has imo put together a good roster.
The biggest Griff issue I have is the Zion relationship. That is his most important job and he's seemingly botched that from the start.
He has imo put together a good roster.
The biggest Griff issue I have is the Zion relationship. That is his most important job and he's seemingly botched that from the start.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 1:53 pm to shel311
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By no means do I think he needed an extension but he's worked with constraints of never being able to pay the tax and loads of injuries.
He has imo put together a good roster.
The biggest Griff issue I have is the Zion relationship. That is his most important job and he's seemingly botched that from the start.
I would agree with all this, sort of, but it’s the way he got to the roster. Griff had so much in the war chest and he squandered so much of it. But results speak volumes as well.
If you had to rate his tenure here what would you rate it? I think a C is being generous, probably closer to a D or D+. Now think if the Lakers hadn’t that terrible run to land us the pick that we used on Dyson. Could be even worse.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 2:01 pm to CP3forMVP
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Griff had so much in the war chest and he squandered so much of it. But results speak volumes as well.
I think they learned lessons from Jaxson and NAW that lead to Herb, Jose, Trey and Dyson. They aren’t perfect but I think they are better than the FO that blew the 4th pick.
Yes he squandered an historic amount of assets. But he also has pulled a lot out of his arse to make up for it.
This post was edited on 7/9/23 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 7/9/23 at 2:01 pm to Epic Cajun
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He put a team together that was a top 3 seed before injuries last season.
No he didn’t. He lucked into it by getting the #1 pick. Without it, he would have been fired by now. Almost every off-season move hasnt been good.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 2:07 pm to TeddyPadillac
That number one pick is one of the reasons y'all want to get rid of him. 
Posted on 7/9/23 at 2:34 pm to CP3forMVP
quote:"The usuals?" Who are those? MM, Shamit, Oleh, Madison?
Most of the usuals on Twitter still think he’s on the hot seat, though you’re likely correct regarding the short term thing.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 2:35 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Eh, it's Christian Clark. Who know how much is from a reliable source and how much is him looking for attention?
Makes me wonder if all the smoke around Ingram and Zion earlier in the offseason was to get both of them to wake up.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 3:14 pm to shel311
Z Relationship and botching a bunch of trades and assets.
We still have assets, but it’s not really based on anything he has done well. An average GM would have about 3-4 more first rd picks in the chest at the moment. He’s quite excellent at pissing away picks by his refusal to trade people before it’s too late and then trading other picks for marginal upgrades at best.
I don’t think he’s done anything to warrant an extension personally. The only thing he really knows how to win is a press conference.
He probably shares equal fault w Zion for essentially having nothing to show for the past 4 years.
We still have assets, but it’s not really based on anything he has done well. An average GM would have about 3-4 more first rd picks in the chest at the moment. He’s quite excellent at pissing away picks by his refusal to trade people before it’s too late and then trading other picks for marginal upgrades at best.
I don’t think he’s done anything to warrant an extension personally. The only thing he really knows how to win is a press conference.
He probably shares equal fault w Zion for essentially having nothing to show for the past 4 years.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 4:09 pm to GOP_Tiger
Snake oil salesman talking himself into an extension
Posted on 7/9/23 at 4:14 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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Z Relationship and botching a bunch of trades and assets.
We still have assets, but it’s not really based on anything he has done well. An average GM would have about 3-4 more first rd picks in the chest at the moment. He’s quite excellent at pissing away picks by his refusal to trade people before it’s too late and then trading other picks for marginal upgrades at best.
I don’t think he’s done anything to warrant an extension personally. The only thing he really knows how to win is a press conference.
He probably shares equal fault w Zion for essentially having nothing to show for the past 4 years.
It’s amazing people don’t agree with this, but like I said the other day we are in the optimistic part of the offseason.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 4:32 pm to CP3forMVP
quote:C is exactly where I'd put it.
If you had to rate his tenure here what would you rate it? I think a C is being generous
Posted on 7/9/23 at 4:34 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:So how could he possibly ever be successful if any winning is him being lucky because we lucked into Zion?
No he didn’t. He lucked into it by getting the #1 pick.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 4:37 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:Just seems like we fault him for everything he misses on then as with this post, give him zero credit for the dudes he did add
We still have assets, but it’s not really based on anything he has done well.
Everyone loves to blame Griff for trading #4, and like with this post, he also gets zero credit at all for drafting Herb, Trey and still having a solid potential in Dyson and even getting a legit role player in Jose as an UDFA.
You can't have it both ways.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 4:38 pm to CP3forMVP
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It’s amazing people don’t agree with this
There are costs to change. If Griff is gone Willie should go too. Then Zion has what, 4 coaches in 5 years? Not to mention most of the players seem to really like Willie.
Griff is not a great GM, but he and his staff have shown to be competent at a few things. We also have seen that if this team is healthy it can be in the contention conversation. You just have to let them lean into the stuff they're good at, try to improve what they are deficient in, which is what the training staff "restructure" and bringing in Borrego is about, and see what happens. It either works, or you get to a place where change is less costly.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 6:07 pm to shel311
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So how could he possibly ever be successful if any winning is him being lucky because we lucked into Zion?
We aren’t winning. That’s the point. He can be successful by not fricking up every off-season and building a team that can compete at a top 10 team in the league level. Injuries obviously play a big role and he deserves a chance to see the team he has built for a full year of health. But that doesn’t change the fact that he’s wasted away the AD return for the most part, and the Jrue return has turned into basically a future 1st.
Think about where we’d be without Zion at all. We would have probably signed Lowry to be our 2nd best player with BI while giving Lonzo a 4/125 offer, and the dumbass probably would have given Toronto 2 1st round picks to sign Lowry.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 6:22 pm to TeddyPadillac
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He can be successful by not fricking up every off-season and building a team that can compete at a top 10 team in the league level. Injuries obviously play a big role and he deserves a chance to see the team he has built for a full year of health
We were a top 5 team when healthy last season, so what are you trying to say here?
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But that doesn’t change the fact that he’s wasted away the AD return for the most part
Ingram
CJ
Nance
Dyson
And still what should be a good draft pick coming. Totally wasted, sure.
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while giving Lonzo a 4/125 offer
We wouldn’t even give him a 4/100 offer, so what the frick is this bullshite?
This post was edited on 7/9/23 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 7/9/23 at 6:56 pm to Soggymoss
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We were a top 5 team when healthy last season, so what are you trying to say here?
Well I literally said he deserves another chance at a healthy season to see what they can do, so what are you trying to say?
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Totally wasted, sure
Kewl, just look at any positive you can find to justify it. Do you really need me to show you all the stupidness? And don’t fricking pretend that CJ and Larry were only able to be acquired b/c of josh Hart.
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We wouldn’t even give him a 4/100 offer, so what the frick is this bullshite?
It’s what would have happen b/c Griff is a fricking idiot and would have felt he couldn’t lose Lonzo since we would have had nothing on the team other than BI.
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