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re: DJM has made more 3s this month than Dyson Daniels
Posted on 2/28/26 at 10:24 am to Dinky Mulberry
Posted on 2/28/26 at 10:24 am to Dinky Mulberry
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I have NO idea what has gone wrong with DD's outside shooting...but the longer it goes on...the more likely it is...to become a very serious career problem.
I think he’s lost confidence, but it’s more of a one off year than anything. Kinda like Herbs one year of shooting over 40%. He hit over 30% his other years and is basically the same threat as Herb from 3.
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Posted on 2/28/26 at 10:26 am to whatiknowsofar
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The Hawks arent going anywhere even with a good pick. BTW, the pels are playing themselves out of top 5 odds, which you historically need to get a top pick, which you were also wrong about.
You just had two teams with the worse lottery odds last year get the first and second picks. Our pick will still be high even if it doesn’t hit. But I’ll almost bet my house that it will land top 4. That’s Pels life.
I guess congratulations are in order, our best player has been healthy all year, we are beating teams that are outright tanking and we are no longer in the bottom 5 lol. It’s been so good the arena is empty. It’s fricking party time. Dumars for gm of the year….
This post was edited on 2/28/26 at 10:36 am
Posted on 2/28/26 at 10:33 am to Dantheman504
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Its funny because DJ is actually 10x more comparable to DD stat wise vs Herb. DJ was actually drafted at 19 just like Dyson. Except DJ didn't put up anything close to Dyson's stats until he was 24 y/o and Dyson is 22...
Why you think he started this thread? Dyson has outplayed Herb in almost every metric but 3pt% shooting, a year in which Herbs in the 20 something percentile. So now he has to jump on DJM’s dick to not look like a complete arse after the embarrassing thread he started earlier this year. He better hope the Hawks don’t get in the playoffs….
This post was edited on 2/28/26 at 10:35 am
Posted on 2/28/26 at 10:39 am to Townedrunkard
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You just had two teams with the worse lottery odds last year get the first and second picks
And several people are calling that lottery rigged. I posted the historical odds in a thread for each of the past 10 years showing you need top 3-4 odds, and you ran away from that argument.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:31 pm to whatiknowsofar
It's year 4 and no one knows if Dyson can actually be a legit player in a playoff rotation or if he'd get played off the court like so many other non shooters have over and over in the playoffs.
That guy is going to get a big contract? It'll immediately make him a negative value player.
That guy is going to get a big contract? It'll immediately make him a negative value player.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 1:03 pm to shel311
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That guy is going to get a big contract? It'll immediately make him a negative value player.
He already got an extension, 4Y/100M.
I think he gets traded this summer, when the Hawks make the big swing for Giannis or Ant Edwards. Daniels, Kuminga or Risacher, a top 5 pick and additional draft picks are going to be any appealing package for a team looking for a reset.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 1:04 pm to shel311
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It's year 4 and no one knows if Dyson can actually be a legit player in a playoff rotation or if he'd get played off the court like so many other non shooters have over and over in the playoffs.
That guy is going to get a big contract? It'll immediately make him a negative value player.
Just horrible timing by the Hawks. At the time...most thought Daniels would be a bargain long term at 4 yr/$100M. Then, for whatever reason, his outside shooting (and even more importantly, his confidence) took a tremendous dive.
NOBODY that's considered a PG in today's NBA...can continue to shoot that poorly from 3. He's bound to get better...but I'm pretty sure if given the opportunity, the Hawks would like to redo...that contract.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 1:46 pm to shel311
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It'll immediately make him a negative value player.
So next year he'll be a negative player.
Posted on 3/2/26 at 10:19 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:Somehow forgot all about that lol, there ya go.
So next year he'll be a negative player.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 10:11 am to Townedrunkard
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I think he’s lost confidence, but it’s more of a one off year than anything. Kinda like Herbs one year of shooting over 40%. He hit over 30% his other years and is basically the same threat as Herb from 3.
You can't actually believe this right? DD is 22 and I'm in the camp that he can certainly turn his shooting around. he's too young to right off.
But it's clear right now that his 34% year is his "one off" year. You said his other years he hit over 30% like that was a compliment... it was 31% both years
That's not good. Herb has not been a good 3pt shooter this year but teams will at least guard him. DD is literally no threat from three. Virtually every player in the league, Herb included, is more of a threat from three than DD.
I just look at DD and think if I'd want to be paying him 100 million and I easily say hell no. Will he turn out to be a better shooter than he is now and have a decent NB career? Sure. Is he overpaid and would be a terrible fit on the Pels? Yes.
This post was edited on 3/3/26 at 10:44 am
Posted on 3/3/26 at 1:14 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:13% is certianly not "more" of an off year. That's a massive red flag.
but it’s more of a one off year than anything.
Dyson went a span of 18 games playing 34 minutes per game where he made exactly zero 3s. That's not an "off year"
His FT% has also dipped from around 65% his 1st 2 years to sub 60% the last 2 years.
quote:You can compare 2 guys with their best seasons or worst seasons. But it's useless to remove one guy's best season and another guy's worst season. That doesn't help at all.
Kinda like Herbs one year of shooting over 40%. He hit over 30% his other years and is basically the same threat as Herb from 3.
It would be no different at all than me removing Dyson's best season from 3 and Herb's worse then using that to show how much better Herb is from 3...
If I removed Herb's worst year and Dyson's best year, Herb is 37% from 3 and Dyson is 26% from 3...what does that tell us? Nothing, it tells us nothing.
This post was edited on 3/3/26 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 3/3/26 at 1:49 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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But it's clear right now that his 34% year is his "one off" year. You said his other years he hit over 30% like that was a compliment... it was 31% both years That's not good
What did I say that was incorrect? So he hit over 30% three years but is hitting 13% this year.
So the year he is hitting 13% is the norm but the other three years are anomalies? Yea that makes sense. I never said 30% is great. But its far better than what he is shooting now. He needs to just knock them down when left wide open.
Some of you should take a statistics class…
This post was edited on 3/3/26 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 3/3/26 at 1:57 pm to Townedrunkard
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What did I say that was incorrect? So he hit over 30% three years but is hitting 13% this year.
Never said you were incorrect on percentages. But you stated it like "hitting over 30%" was a compliment. I went to look it up because I was thinking maybe Dyson wasn't as bad of a 3pt shooter as I remember when he was here. No, he was bad, just like I remember.
I know it's only a 3% difference but the difference in 31% and 34% is kind of the area a guy goes from being considered a bad shooter to a semi respectable one. 3.5 out of 4 years DD has been a bad 3pt shooter and is obviously getting worse.
What I was stating you were incorrect about is that DD is as much of a threat from deep as Herb. DD is literally ZERO threat from three, even Herb, in his worst year, is more of a thread than zero. There is virtually no guard in the entire NBA that is less of a thread from deep than DD.
And again, factoring in the contract, it's good he's not a Pel.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 2:22 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I think Dyson might have a Rudy Gobert type arc.
Elite regular season defense but gets played off the court in the post season. For Gobert it was about movement but for Dyson it will be teams not guarding him.
Elite regular season defense but gets played off the court in the post season. For Gobert it was about movement but for Dyson it will be teams not guarding him.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 2:38 pm to Townedrunkard
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Some of you should take a statistics class
You either have no idea how to interpret statistics or you just cant admit you were wrong.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 2:48 pm to whatiknowsofar
So this was another good move David Griffin did then?
Posted on 3/3/26 at 5:21 pm to whatiknowsofar
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You either have no idea how to interpret statistics or you just cant admit you were wrong.
Explain to me where I was wrong? You still think Griff made the right move sending two firsts and DD for DJM ? Or he shoulda sent Herb instead and saved those firsts? You made a thread earlier this year comparing Herb to DD so that must be your take? Griff made the right move.
That trade cost us not having an unprotected pick this year along with Dumars absolute stupidity. Now if the Freak is traded over the summer and we suck again next year, it will very likely cost us another potential top ten pick.
Add to it that DD is outperforming Herb in a more involved role this year and is years younger with lots more room to grow. Yup, sure looks like I was wrong…
This post was edited on 3/3/26 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 3/3/26 at 5:55 pm to Townedrunkard
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Explain to me where I was wrong?
Dyson Daniels. You were wrong about his value. Hes a negative offensive player that's about to make 25 mil a year. His bad contract starts next year.
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You still think Griff made the right move sending two firsts and DD for DJM
Clearly disingenuous, that 2nd first is protected and the least favorable between us and the bucks. And they drafted Asa newell, a solid g leaguer lol.
Of course the trade is bad now, Murray tore his achilles. Its awful luck no one could have predicted, yet its the only real argument you have as to why the trade is bad now.
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You made a thread earlier this year comparing Herb to DD so that must be your take?
Id rather have herb and his contract over Dyson Daniels all day.
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Add to it that DD is outperforming Herb in a more involved role this year and is years younger with lots more room to grow.
Lots more room to grow because hes a bad offensive player, and hes in his fourth year in the league.
Sometime you just are who you are. Dyson is a very limited offensively- defensive player that doesnt belong on an NBA backcourt in the playoffs.
And hes making 25 mil for the next 4 years.
Both teams lost the trade.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 6:18 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Clearly disingenuous, that 2nd first is protected and the least favorable between us and the bucks. And they drafted Asa newell, a solid g leaguer lol.
It’s just top 4 protected. So unless both our picks hit the lottery, which I seriously doubt happens, they getting another great pick next year from us or the bucks.
I don’t care who they drafted with the pick this year, that doesn’t matter.
We send the hawks that pick and we keep the pacers pick instead which is worth something now. Or maybe we package that and are able to put protections on our pick or keep our pick all together.
Either way the Dyson trade has cost this franchise major assets…
And I strongly disagree, I’m sure Atlanta is estatic with the trade. Their beat writers were laughing at the Pels last year at the robbery they pulled off.
And they are indirectly getting a great pick this year and most likely next year because of the trade.
This post was edited on 3/3/26 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 3/3/26 at 6:24 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Lots more room to grow because hes a bad offensive player, and hes in his fourth year in the league.
So he’s still younger than when Herb entered the league right. But he is who he is and won’t develop. Gotcha.
This post was edited on 3/3/26 at 6:25 pm
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