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re: Moving to the offseason
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:58 pm to Terrific Tales
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:58 pm to Terrific Tales
quote:If he gets back to the form or somewhere close to the dude over the last 20 or so games of last season that averaged 21ppg, he'll be fine.
I have no doubt he will shoot better
He needs to do more than just shoot better to get a 5/150 type deal
But yea, this regression definitely makes you wonder if that'll happen now, at least wonder a heck of a lot more than before the season started.
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Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:59 pm to Dantheman504
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I know at face value this does seem like a lot of money BUT give it 2 years and it will be chump change....
Except it's not chump change. 30% of the cap is too much for BI. Like way way way too much.
He has in no way proven he is worth it. That's reserved for All-star and All-Nba level players. BI is not that level of player.
You see how Zach Lavine is viewed right now? The bulls gave Zach Lavine, a guy who is around BI's level of player(when healthy probably better), a 30% max and now it's considered one of the worst contracts in the league.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:59 pm to 50_Tiger
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Lets play your math game
Lets play yours.
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172m is the tax apron
You got this right. good job.
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You have 150.1M on the books already not including anything above
alright, kinda right, i'll give it to you i guess, good job.
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The team will pick up his option +1.9M
talking about Jose, yes more than likely they will, and if they didnt', it woudl be b/c they were giving him a new contract. But lets' just assume they pick up the option and he's paid $1.9M next year. Not sure if they can "extend" him or not.
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Not happening. He's getting minimum 25M a year (more likely 30M) +25-30M
Cool.
I feel like you aren't sure what this means though.
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Nothing interesting about it. Its 30% of the cap. +55M
It's happening, but still not sure you konw what this means.
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1.9 + 25 + 16M for this Jonas deal you say = 42.9M
42.9M + 150.1M = 193M
nice math.
but you have no idea what you are talking about.
You see, when you said $150M.1 was already on the books, that included BI, Jose, and Trey, b/c we arleady know what they are going to be making next year, and nothing is going to change that. They can sign their extension this offseason, and that new contract won't go into affect until the 2025-2026 season.
so we have 10 guys under contract for next year for $150.1M, Jose, BI, Trey included.
So we have $22M to use on 4 guys if we wanted to stay under the tax.
JV would be one at $15M
I think Naji is going to get something along the lines of $7M a year. If we give it to him, we are a tax team. That's the big decision for next year.
our 20th pick in the draft is going to cost right under $3M.
If we just do JV and draft pick, then we'll sign 2-3 minimum guys and stay under the tax.
Maybe we make a S&T for Okongwu, and sign 3 minimum guys and stay under the tax.
Or maybe we simply go into the tax.
We can easily avoid the tax next year if we want to. Whether or not we can improve upon what we did this year and still staying under the tax is the question.
We won't have the slightest clue to any of that until we see what we do in the playoffs this year and see what we need to do to this roster.
Where you have your panties in a bunch is what will happen in 2026, and if BI, Zion, CJ, Trey (assuming he gets a $25-30M/yr extension) are on this team, then yes we will be a tax team that year.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 4:01 pm to TeddyPadillac
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TeddyPadillac
Congrats for not reading the rest of the thread and seeing my correction
Posted on 2/8/24 at 4:03 pm to TeddyPadillac
As sad as I would be to see him go, there’s no way we go into the tax if it’s only to keep Naji on the roster
Posted on 2/8/24 at 4:05 pm to Terrific Tales
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As sad as I would be to see him go, there’s no way we go into the tax if it’s only to keep Naji on the roster
Im sorry I get going into the tax to contend but the reason you’re going into the tax is Naji Marshall- Griffin should just quit because he sucks at his job.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 4:27 pm to Dantheman504
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The real decision would be trading CJ on the last year of his contract. We would pretty much have to do that to retain BI that following year while keeping Hawk/ Dyson/ Zion/ Trey.
I've said for a while that was the choice there were going to have to make at some point, and as good as CJ is playing, I think it's a pretty easy choice. As frustrating as BI can be, he does some things nobody else on the team can do. Between Hawk and Trey, you can see the potential to duplicate CJ's on court production.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 2/8/24 at 4:29 pm to TigerinATL
quote:I don't see it as it should be a choice between CJ or BI
I've said for a while that was the choice there were going to have to make at some point, and as good as CJ is playing, I think it's a pretty easy choice. As frustrating as BI can be, he does some things nobody else on the team can do. Between Hawk and Trey, you can see the potential to duplicate CJ's on court production.
It should be a choice between giving a BI a bad contract or no contract IMO. Obviously assuming he's not going to take less money in this hypothetical.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 4:31 pm to shel311
For that to happen we really need Point Zion to excel in the playoffs.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 4:34 pm to TigerinATL
quote:It could have long since happened if we just gave Zion the keys, and made him the franchise dude.
For that to happen we really need Point Zion to excel in the playoffs
Posted on 2/8/24 at 4:34 pm to shel311
How the rest of the season plays out well make decisions for the team but unfortunately the current roster is likely not worth running it back while paying the tax. If going to pay it I think we'd need to feel like a sure top 4 West. Right now they're a "maybe?!" can't imagine paying the tax to be in the middle of the West.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 4:36 pm to Parrish
quote:I'd call it a "highly unlikely"
If going to pay it I think we'd need to feel like a sure top 4 West. Right now they're a "maybe?!"
Funny thing though, I feel like we're about to go on a run. And every time I feel like we're about to go on a run, we lose 2 or 3 games to shite teams all in inexplicable fashion
Posted on 2/8/24 at 4:39 pm to Parrish
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If going to pay it I think we'd need to feel like a sure top 4 West. Right now they're a "maybe?!" can't imagine paying the tax to be in the middle of the West.
I agree with this but if this is the case why not trade some of your draft capital to make some moves to help this team compete in playoffs this season? I’m not talking about Dejounte but just any moves like a vet pass first pg or a rim running/shot blocking center- fringe moves which help teams compete. Moves like dallas, phoenix, and even thunder made.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 4:58 pm to 50_Tiger
If JV agent is smart he won’t let him re-sign for cheap. I heard his situation is like Asik. Pels can’t replace his salary. Idk if true just what I heard.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:07 pm to Stamps74
JV will have leverage, but he's at the stage of his career where players tend to value winning more than the biggest contract. He's not going to be looking for the biggest bag, he's going to be looking for the biggest bag where he can help them win at a high level.
Most playoff caliber teams have avoided using the full MLE the past few years because when you use it, you commit to not going into the tax. So we likely would be competing with playoff teams making taxpayer MLE offers.
Most playoff caliber teams have avoided using the full MLE the past few years because when you use it, you commit to not going into the tax. So we likely would be competing with playoff teams making taxpayer MLE offers.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:24 pm to TigerinATL
BI slander on this board is crazy. He’ll be the only guy we can count on to get buckets in the playoffs when folks take away the paint/3.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:25 pm to Solo
How is it slander talking about his contract situation?
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:28 pm to Pels_Yaz
Who are we getting that is better, or in his league? It’s tax time, baw.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:50 pm to 50_Tiger
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We traded Kira to get under the tax apron.
Because there is no point in paying the tax this year, and, most importantly, starting the clock on the repeater tax.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 2/8/24 at 5:52 pm to fightingtigers98
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Why is there an assumption we would decline Trey’s option and give him a contract extension that would kick in next year? Trey’s still going to be on his rookie deal and the extension won’t kick in until the following year when CJ is an expiring at $31 million and can be moved if it comes to that.
Correct. We have some flexibility with CJ's expiring.
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