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re: Offense should run through Zion
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:14 am to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:14 am to whatiknowsofar
I agree with you but it’s also situational. I have no issue with CJ getting into a groove and doing Iso when we are up by a lot or early in the game to get a rhythm. The issue is when he misses 4-5 shots in a row, other teams go on 10+ pt runs, and he tries to do too much. He’s too smart and too much of a vet to have that little awareness and not feed Zion in those situations.
I’m not worried about it because he did start finding Zion in the second half and we took off but that’s what he has to realize. He didn’t look for Zion 1st half and we were down, he fed Zion 2nd half and we destroyed them. Understand the game plan and don’t get lost in the moment as our main veteran who is also handling the ball.
I’m not worried about it because he did start finding Zion in the second half and we took off but that’s what he has to realize. He didn’t look for Zion 1st half and we were down, he fed Zion 2nd half and we destroyed them. Understand the game plan and don’t get lost in the moment as our main veteran who is also handling the ball.
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Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:16 am to Dantheman504
Long story short: CJ shouldn’t have to take contested shots when Zion is on the court. He will get open shots with the ball in Zion’s hand.
Zion with contested shots and passing to open CJ > CJ taking contested shots and not passing to Zion. Move him off ball.
Zion with contested shots and passing to open CJ > CJ taking contested shots and not passing to Zion. Move him off ball.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:52 am to Tigerfan14
quote:I don't know why that would "have" to be the route we go.
When Zion was at Duke, they didn’t run the offense through him. He just ran around and made plays on both side of the court. Everything flowed through RJ. That might have to be the route the team goes when fully healthy. Between BI, Zion, CJ and Val, there just isn’t enough opportunity for everyone to get the volume they need to play their game.
Last night's Zion is our best offense and our best chance to be as good as possible. I'd argue we have to do that and everyone else needs to figure out their roles in that scheme.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:54 am to tibebecolston
quote:Obviously the Spurs suck on D and have no interior D but last night is still the blueprint.
Point Zion is definitely best for this team. Guys are just so open when he has the ball and he gets officiated like
a guard
And with staggering guys, you should be able to keep everyone happy by staggering Zion/BI a bit and doing Point Zion when BI is on the bench and situationally either late in games or like last night where we knew we couldn't go to that meh lineup late 3rd and instead went all in on Zion at a crucial point in the game.
This post was edited on 12/3/22 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:39 pm to shel311
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And by figure it out, I mean everyone realizes this shite runs through Zion going forward. BI 2nd,CJ more off ball and more aggressive on nights he's feeling it .
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:41 pm to shel311
I think we also need to stagger Zion and Val more until we get another viable backup C. Last night was blueprint for that too when our shooters are struggling.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:43 pm to shel311
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Last night's Zion is our best offense and our best chance to be as good as possible. I'd argue we have to do that and everyone else needs to figure out their roles in that scheme.
Yep. And his handles will continue to get better as well. His game will evolve. Others on the team will have to evolve their game as well. BI is already taking and making more 3s. I don’t know if Trey doesn’t supplant Herb at some point because him and Zion just have a groove together when they play and Trey has such a high ceiling on offense.
If Dyson gets better, a deadly arse lineup would be:
Dyson
BI
Trey
Zion
Nance
Then Herb and CJ coming off the bench
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:47 pm to Dantheman504
quote:100%
think we also need to stagger Zion and Val more
I said before the season started that it may make more sense for Nance to start and Jval off the bench, then close with the better matchup. That would get Jval more minutes not with our big 3 which I think would be better for him.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:53 pm to Tigerfan14
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When Zion was at Duke, they didn’t run the offense through him. He just ran around and made plays on both side of the court.
Which is why Ingram should get the ball. An engaged Zion gets 20/10/5in his sleep. Especially when an engaged Zion is grabbing boards on both sides.
Simply put, if Zion gets the rebound, it runs through him.
We want our primary ball handler to be able to counter sagging off with the ability to hit a pull up 3 pointer. It’s the modern NBA.
Now if Zion develops that shot, then yes. But grazing the rim on 3PA when left wide open is a playoff recipe disaster against the elite teams.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 12:57 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:The last few games shows the offense and Zion are at his best when we do the legit opposite. It would not be wise to go away from that.
Which is why Ingram should get the ball
quote:Giannis says hi. You counter sagging off of them by getting a running unimpeded start towards the rim.
We want our primary ball handler to be able to counter sagging off with the ability to hit a pull up 3 pointer. It’s the modern NBA.
quote:Not if you just don't shoot it and drive to the rim. The defenses only option against Zion is to build the wall. That's when CJ/BI /Trey get unlimited wide open 3s.
Now if Zion develops that shot, then yes. But grazing the rim on 3PA when left wide open is a playoff recipe disaster against the
And obviously you can't do that every single possession, so BI is secondary and the main guy when Zion is out.
That's the best way to maximize what this offense can be.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:08 pm to shel311
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Giannis says hi. You counter sagging off of them by getting a running unimpeded start towards the rim.
The Bucks(and The Freak’s)defense is elite, that’s why they won. Pels defense & Zions isn’t there yet. We are more of an offensive juggernaut.
Zion is a shorter player and more prone to injury.
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Not if you just don't shoot it and drive to the rim. The defenses only option against Zion is to build the wall.
Which leads to more contact and more risk of injury.
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And obviously you can't do that every single possession, so BI is secondary and the main guy when Zion is out.
They will both have their bites at the apple running in alternating shifts.
The uniqueness of Zion is that playing the Phoneix Suns era Barkley role is he’s going to do a little bit of everything. When he can shoot, it’s going to open up everything to a historical level. 90s Bulls/ Durant Warriors level.
Fortunately, they both seem to enjoy playing with each other.
This post was edited on 12/3/22 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 12/3/22 at 1:22 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:I'm not sure at all what that has to do with the topic of maximizing our offense.
The Bucks(and The Freak’s)defense is elite, that’s why they won. Pels defense & Zions isn’t there yet. We are more of an offensive juggernaut.
Zion is a shorter player and more prone to injury.
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quote:If that's your concern then you should want to get rid of Zion immediately. You can't play scared. You have to play to your strengths.
Which leads to more contact and more risk of injury.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 2:07 pm to shel311
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I'm not sure at all what that has to do with the topic of maximizing our offense.
I believe maximizing includes Zion being on the court, don’t you? ETA: no relying on the athleticism is how great players stay on the court and prolong their careers.
I believe the Pels optimize their offense when Zion can shoot, do we agree on that?
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If that's your concern then you should want to get rid of Zion immediately. You can't play scared. You have to play to your strengths.
No, you play smart and don’t have him take unnecessary contact. If he has four guys around him as he goes downhill as the primary guy, he’s going to get hacked, all the time. See broken thumb injury two season ago with Point Zion offense.
As a roll man or in the dunker spot-not all the time, mind you, he will see less coverage.
BI is the better focal point-& we will see that against prime defenses in the playoffs because of his ability to shoot the basketball at all three levels.
This post was edited on 12/3/22 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 12/4/22 at 6:46 am to Louisianabound88
quote:Love what CJ brought to the franchise last year, but honestly history shows the playoffs are not his thing.
CJ will pay dividends come playoff time
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