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re: Pelicans need to go after Ben Simmons
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:21 pm to SelaTiger
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:21 pm to SelaTiger
I said the same in another thread and had the downvotes to go with it. But I did foolishly say give up Ingram. That was dumb of me.
But I stick by Ben for defense and passing. Just don’t let him shoot.
But I stick by Ben for defense and passing. Just don’t let him shoot.
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Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:51 pm to Knigletdawoo
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But I stick by Ben for defense and passing. Just don’t let him shoot.
We need shooting
You can’t put Zion next to a guy who literally refuses to take a 3
Posted on 7/13/21 at 11:01 pm to SammyTiger
So Get rid of Ball who has greatly improved shooting and trade assets for Ben who can’t shoot at all. Got it
Posted on 7/14/21 at 12:38 am to A Menace to Sobriety
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Been here for 3 years. BY frickING FAR the easiest downvote I've ever given someone in my life.
To be fair, 98% of you loved the Adams trade last year and I’d say around 85-90% approved getting Bledsoe. So it’s not like most of you are experts at player personnel on here. I’m sure you were in those numbers….
This post was edited on 7/14/21 at 12:39 am
Posted on 7/14/21 at 7:24 am to SelaTiger
Simmons has a lot of flaws. But he is a winner. He has been to the playoffs every year in the league (he was injured last year) and they always get out of the first round. Replace Ingram with Simmons and we will win more games..
Posted on 7/14/21 at 7:27 am to brmark70816
You dont even believe this.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 7:57 am to smoke225
Of course I do. His was the 2nd best player on the team with the best record in the league. He should have won DPOY. He wins. He would have a huge impact on our team. It would be an upgrade.
I get the Simmoms has holes in his game. But he is an elite defender with the ability to defend 1-5. He also creates massive mismatches with his ability to play all those positions. He is the best transition player in the league and probably the best passer, with a high game IQ. We would be better with him over Ingram..
I get the Simmoms has holes in his game. But he is an elite defender with the ability to defend 1-5. He also creates massive mismatches with his ability to play all those positions. He is the best transition player in the league and probably the best passer, with a high game IQ. We would be better with him over Ingram..
Posted on 7/14/21 at 8:06 am to josh336
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Work on him mentally first
Not sure the Pelicans would be the best franchise for this...
Posted on 7/14/21 at 8:43 am to brmark70816
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We would be better with him, Zion, Ingram, and 3 shooters.
FIFY
Posted on 7/14/21 at 8:54 am to brmark70816
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Simmons has a lot of flaws. But he is a winner. He has been to the playoffs every year in the league (he was injured last year) and they always get out of the first round. Replace Ingram with Simmons and we will win more games..
Not that hard to get out of the first round in the east. I would like you to explain your logic though ... How would Simmons help us win more games? Or is that sum of all your reasoning here ... The fact that he is a winner ... But you said it yourself ... He has flaws ... And those flaws are better hidden on the 76ers than they would be here ... Would be nice to score points ... And on another note the winner _ he is the reason the 76ers didn't advance ...
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:05 am to bayou39
Elite defenders do not play for losing teams. Can you think of any great defensive teams that were bad teams?
If we were a top defensive team, we would win. We wouldn't be fun to watch. But we would win more than we lose. Put a bunch of elite defenders on a team, it becomes a better defensive team. People shite on a Patrick Beverly. But he is in the playoffs every year. Danny Green has 3 rings with 3 different teams. Elite defenders make a difference.
It is a amazing that fans of a team that finished in 14th and 13th place the past two years look at a team that won the East and say, they sucked or they don't know what they are doing. It's either boom or bust. Just winning and making the playoffs isn't good enough. They didn't win the Championship, so it's the same as what we did. That is just a weird way of looking at it..
If we were a top defensive team, we would win. We wouldn't be fun to watch. But we would win more than we lose. Put a bunch of elite defenders on a team, it becomes a better defensive team. People shite on a Patrick Beverly. But he is in the playoffs every year. Danny Green has 3 rings with 3 different teams. Elite defenders make a difference.
It is a amazing that fans of a team that finished in 14th and 13th place the past two years look at a team that won the East and say, they sucked or they don't know what they are doing. It's either boom or bust. Just winning and making the playoffs isn't good enough. They didn't win the Championship, so it's the same as what we did. That is just a weird way of looking at it..
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:24 am to brmark70816
Replacing Ingram with Simmons does not make us an elite defensive team ... probably brings us from terrible to middle of the pack while also diminishing our offense ... That doesnt translate to more wins.....im only disagreeing with one point .. Ingram for Simmons doesnt make us win more games ... Obviously if we were atop defensive team we would be in more games
This post was edited on 7/14/21 at 9:25 am
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:26 am to bayou39
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How would Simmons help us win more games
I had a post a while back around the trade deadline i believe with a bunch of gifs explaining my reasoning why Simmons would work great with Zion.
As i already said here, you put Simmons at the 5, and he can guard opposing teams centers, and no one is going to want to bring Simmons up for high pick and rolls b/c he can effectively switch onto guards.
Him playing the 5 means he's down low to get rebounds. He should average over 10 a game. Whether he gets the rebound or Zion gets it, both need to take off down the court. You'd have the 2 biggest and most skilled fast break finishers in the league charging down the court after every missed basket. that's the first thing you have to stop.
If NAW can become a better 3 point shooter, and we bring in one more 40% 3 point shooter to go with BI, then you have to pick your poison. form a wall to stop Zion/Simmons, which sometimes won't even work, and let them kick out to wide open 3 point shooters who can actually shoot, or let Zion and Simmons drive past your weak paint/transition defense and score at ease.
Then you get into the half court. Simmons becomes a post player setting picks and rim running, pretty much what Jax and Adams does, except he's without a doubt better than Adams at it, and Jax might be one of the handful of players in the league more athletic at that size than Simmons at finishing at the rim.
Again, you give Zion the ball and let Simmons set the screen, that's two bigs trying to stay in front of the two most skilled rim attacking bigs in the league. Again, you have 3 3 point shooters just hanging out waiting for their man to collapse so they can get a kick out for a wide open 3.
Zion can post up his man. Simmons can post up his man. The mismatches Ben Simmons creates on offense b/c of his ability to guard the opposing teams 5 would be huge. We would force teams to go small, even though we aren't small. You find a way to bring in Brogdon to run the halfcourt offense, to start with NAW/BI/Zion/Simmons, and that's a very big lineup while still being small with good defense and good 3 point shooting.
Ben Simmons future in the NBA is at the 5. He's never been able to do that with Embiid.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:34 am to bayou39
In investing, there's a longstanding philosophical difference between value investing vs growth investing.
Value investing is buying a stock that you believe is undervalued. It's either going to bring a bigger return than others expect, or the price of the stock is going to go up. Maybe it's a company that has suffered due to temporary factors (such as the pandemic), and it's stock price has gone down as a result.
Growth investing, on the other hand, is buying a stock in a company that you expect to significantly expand. This company just invented a new gizmo that you think everyone is going to want. This company probably isn't even making a profit right now, because they are spending so much on new equipment and training new employees.
In terms of this board, there's generally a solid appetite for growth investing. People here want draft picks, and they want to go after guys like Sexton, who is a young player still on the way up.
But people here are almost always against value investing. Simmons was a player with a huge failure in these playoffs, and that has dropped his price tremendously. The 76ers are supposedly demanding an all-star in return, and they aren't going to get that, and everyone knows it. Simmons is going to be available for cheap.
In the person of Fred Vinson, we have maybe the league's best shooting coach to fix his free-throw issue and maybe even unlock Simmons to shoot 3s.
I have serious concerns about the fit with Zion, but the general idea of us being the rehab destination for Simmons is good. He needs to get out of the spotlight and work on his game, and the fewer paparazzi hounding him, the better. Plus, he already has some comfort with Louisiana culture -- he already knows what gumbo, king cake, and jambalaya taste like. And there are fans who will support him just because he went to LSU.
Value investing is buying a stock that you believe is undervalued. It's either going to bring a bigger return than others expect, or the price of the stock is going to go up. Maybe it's a company that has suffered due to temporary factors (such as the pandemic), and it's stock price has gone down as a result.
Growth investing, on the other hand, is buying a stock in a company that you expect to significantly expand. This company just invented a new gizmo that you think everyone is going to want. This company probably isn't even making a profit right now, because they are spending so much on new equipment and training new employees.
In terms of this board, there's generally a solid appetite for growth investing. People here want draft picks, and they want to go after guys like Sexton, who is a young player still on the way up.
But people here are almost always against value investing. Simmons was a player with a huge failure in these playoffs, and that has dropped his price tremendously. The 76ers are supposedly demanding an all-star in return, and they aren't going to get that, and everyone knows it. Simmons is going to be available for cheap.
In the person of Fred Vinson, we have maybe the league's best shooting coach to fix his free-throw issue and maybe even unlock Simmons to shoot 3s.
I have serious concerns about the fit with Zion, but the general idea of us being the rehab destination for Simmons is good. He needs to get out of the spotlight and work on his game, and the fewer paparazzi hounding him, the better. Plus, he already has some comfort with Louisiana culture -- he already knows what gumbo, king cake, and jambalaya taste like. And there are fans who will support him just because he went to LSU.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:36 am to brmark70816
Let's hear your team building plan this year trading, Ingram and whatever else for Simmons.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:05 am to Fun Bunch
I do not think the Sixers will trade him, unless it for Beal or Lillard. I think the Warriors could easily beat our package with 2 lottery picks, Wiggins and flipping Wiseman to a 3rd team. Heck, what if OKC dangles Kemba and SGA in a package for Simmons?
My simple point was that Simmons would make us better and would be an upgrade (in a straight up swap) over Ingram. If the Sixers would go for Ingram for Simmons, I think we would be foolish not to go for that. But it would probably take Ingram and at least a couple of picks (including #10). I don't know if we have enough to outbid other squads, plus I am just not sure if Simmons would want to be here. As he loves being a celebrity.
My simple point was that Simmons would make us better and would be an upgrade (in a straight up swap) over Ingram. If the Sixers would go for Ingram for Simmons, I think we would be foolish not to go for that. But it would probably take Ingram and at least a couple of picks (including #10). I don't know if we have enough to outbid other squads, plus I am just not sure if Simmons would want to be here. As he loves being a celebrity.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:06 am to brmark70816
You didn't answer the question.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:20 am to Fun Bunch
Ok. So the Sixers do the trade for Ingram and Lewis? Done.
We trade Adams and a 2022 1st, plus a 2nd rounder to the Kings for Buddy Hield.
We resign Ball and Hart.
We draft Kispert at 10. Use a couple 2nds to get back into the late 1st, BPA.
NAW/Bledsoe
Hield/Marshall
Ball/Kispert
Zion/Hart
Simmons/Hayes
We trade Adams and a 2022 1st, plus a 2nd rounder to the Kings for Buddy Hield.
We resign Ball and Hart.
We draft Kispert at 10. Use a couple 2nds to get back into the late 1st, BPA.
NAW/Bledsoe
Hield/Marshall
Ball/Kispert
Zion/Hart
Simmons/Hayes
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:42 am to Fun Bunch
76ers get Sexton, Love, Pels 22 1st
Cavs get #10, Kira, Adams, Bledsoe, #28
Pels get Simmons and Augustine
Rockets get a 2nd and Iwundu
S&T Lonzo and 23 protected 1st to the Hornets for Rozier.
Bring back Hart.
Sign Otto Porter to the MLE.
Sign Tony Snell or someone at the 2/3 position to BAE.
Rozier/Augustine
NAW/Hart/Didi
BI/Naji/Snell
Zion/Porter/Wenyen
Simmons/Jax/Billy
14 players right at $136M, under the tax.
That's a lineup full of hustle and more imporantly, guys that move a ton on offense. Rozier and NAW aren't two that stay still, and neither is Simmons. Your starters are scorers, your backups are great defenders.
Cavs get #10, Kira, Adams, Bledsoe, #28
Pels get Simmons and Augustine
Rockets get a 2nd and Iwundu
S&T Lonzo and 23 protected 1st to the Hornets for Rozier.
Bring back Hart.
Sign Otto Porter to the MLE.
Sign Tony Snell or someone at the 2/3 position to BAE.
Rozier/Augustine
NAW/Hart/Didi
BI/Naji/Snell
Zion/Porter/Wenyen
Simmons/Jax/Billy
14 players right at $136M, under the tax.
That's a lineup full of hustle and more imporantly, guys that move a ton on offense. Rozier and NAW aren't two that stay still, and neither is Simmons. Your starters are scorers, your backups are great defenders.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:59 am to TeddyPadillac
I wouldnt be against adding simmons with BI and Zion but not trading BI away for him. I think that lineup you present could make some noise.
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