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re: Pels reportedly trying to move up in the draft.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:55 am to brmark70816
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:55 am to brmark70816
Thanks for the clarification but Point is he built a title Team once already
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Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:59 am to Pelicans15
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Thanks for the clarification but Point is he built a title Team once already
The great GMs maintain and build after winning a title, not run it in the ground. Those types are the worst because once on top it gets easier to attract FA talent.
It takes incompetence to wreck a franchise like Dumars did as quickly as he did and he’s making the same mistakes.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 11:33 am to 3PieceSpicy
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Fears might be good, but he isn’t anywhere close to Maxey
Tyrese Maxey in College: 6’3, 198 lbs
14 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 3.2 apg
42/29/83 shooting splits
Jeremiah Fears: 6’3, 182 lbs
17 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 4.1 apg
43/28/85 shooting splits
People are revisionist about Maxey, he wasn’t some elite shooter in college. Beyond just the stats their games looked really similar if you actually watch them. Fears also reclassified and should’ve been a senior in high school last year, he’s the upside swing worth taking in this draft if you stick at 7.
This post was edited on 6/14/25 at 11:35 am
Posted on 6/14/25 at 11:34 am to WB504
They'll just screw up the pick, just like Gayle's other team when they move up.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 12:06 pm to Tigerjim09
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quote:Fears might be good, but he isn’t anywhere close to Maxey Tyrese Maxey in College: 6’3, 198 lbs 14 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 3.2 apg 42/29/83 shooting splits Jeremiah Fears: 6’3, 182 lbs 17 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 4.1 apg 43/28/85 shooting splits People are revisionist about Maxey, he wasn’t some elite shooter in college. Beyond just the stats their games looked really similar if you actually watch them. Fears also reclassified and should’ve been a senior in high school last year, he’s the upside swing worth taking in this draft if you stick at 7.
He’s much more Maxey than Poole, but both are pretty bad comparisons. Maxey is similar in size, but uses elite speed and relentless hustle. Fears is nothing like Poole. Guessing you are trying to draw an inefficiency comparison, but Fears is an excellent excellent ball handler. Poole is a shooting guard.
As said, Fears was a HS senior last season and grew an inch and 10 pounds over the last year. I still believe his ultimate best comparison is Damian Lillard. He’s also similar in size and play to Darius Garland, though Garland has elite athleticism. Fears is more about a quick step and ball handling savvy.
All my opinion of course, but to me, Fears is a ball player. A gamer. A guy that will be good in clutch moments and big games. Lillard is a 37% career three point shooter, very good but not that elite elite level. Maybe a bit more scorer than distributor but good at both. I’m a big fan. Only time will tell.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 3:48 pm to Tigerjim09
My pre draft analysis isn’t all about shooting splits
I wanted to trade up to 4-6 that year for Hali and to take Maxey at 13 that year, and so did a lot of fans. So it’s not completely revisionist.
Tyrese has special speed, special brakes, special handles and a special layup package. Special character as well.
We shall see if Fears can develop into a top 10 guard in the nba. I wouldn’t hate the pick given our needs and the lack of top end talent available at 7.. I just don’t think it’s a slam dunk.
I wanted to trade up to 4-6 that year for Hali and to take Maxey at 13 that year, and so did a lot of fans. So it’s not completely revisionist.
Tyrese has special speed, special brakes, special handles and a special layup package. Special character as well.
We shall see if Fears can develop into a top 10 guard in the nba. I wouldn’t hate the pick given our needs and the lack of top end talent available at 7.. I just don’t think it’s a slam dunk.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 4:52 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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I wanted to trade up to 4-6 that year for Hali and to take Maxey at 13 that year, and so did a lot of fans. So it’s not completely revisionist.
I said the same thing but once Hali started sliding to bottom ten. 4-6 woukd have cost to much to move up.
Additionally, I specifically said how stupid it was giving up the first for Steven Adams and mentioned in that draft thread we could have moved up a few spots and got Maxey with the pick we we no longer had. Of course the board thought that was a great trade at the time and I got dogged for it.
History is repeating itself now with DD and not having those extra firsts. Once again I was right on with my money with my assessment.
This post was edited on 6/14/25 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 6/14/25 at 4:57 pm to Townedrunkard
Yeah a lot of people wanted Hali. Teams just overthought his shot mechanics and weight even tho he played well in college.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:09 pm to 3PieceSpicy
"Special layup package"?
Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:40 am to Townedrunkard
Hali was my number 1 player in that draft. I’ve got receipts on that as well on my cell phone. I couldn’t believe his slide. It didn’t make sense.
I was with you on the Adams trade, but I wanted Bane with that 2nd pick since we had already taken Kira.
Griff fumbled the MF out of that draft.
Not even to mention, that Jrue trade where the Warriors had pick 2 and were interested. Atlanta had pick 6 and was interested. That was another method to get a higher pick for Hali that wouldn’t have required a trade on draft night.
Of course the report was, we were trying to trade up for Patrick Williams if we were to trade up for anyone.
It’s cool we unearthed guys like Jose and Naji as udfa’s and Herb as a 2nd and Trey at 17, but sitting on our hands and not picking Hali or Maxey was a massive fumble and letting Houston trade up for Sengun at 16 was a horrific fumble as well (Pels were reportedly interested in Sengun as well as Trey in that draft). We had plenty of draft capital to make that happen and let Houston do it instead.
It’s not difficult to Imagine a world where we have frickin Hali or Maxey, Bane, Trey, Herb, Sengun, Jose and whatever trade package we got for Zion 3-4 years ago.
We would’ve been far too good to get Dyson and Missi, but we wouldn’t have needed them
I was with you on the Adams trade, but I wanted Bane with that 2nd pick since we had already taken Kira.
Griff fumbled the MF out of that draft.
Not even to mention, that Jrue trade where the Warriors had pick 2 and were interested. Atlanta had pick 6 and was interested. That was another method to get a higher pick for Hali that wouldn’t have required a trade on draft night.
Of course the report was, we were trying to trade up for Patrick Williams if we were to trade up for anyone.
It’s cool we unearthed guys like Jose and Naji as udfa’s and Herb as a 2nd and Trey at 17, but sitting on our hands and not picking Hali or Maxey was a massive fumble and letting Houston trade up for Sengun at 16 was a horrific fumble as well (Pels were reportedly interested in Sengun as well as Trey in that draft). We had plenty of draft capital to make that happen and let Houston do it instead.
It’s not difficult to Imagine a world where we have frickin Hali or Maxey, Bane, Trey, Herb, Sengun, Jose and whatever trade package we got for Zion 3-4 years ago.
We would’ve been far too good to get Dyson and Missi, but we wouldn’t have needed them
Posted on 6/15/25 at 7:42 am to 3PieceSpicy
I had Haliburton #2, and Maxey was either #8 or #9
Posted on 6/15/25 at 1:05 pm to AOC4PREZ2028
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The Darko over Wade (Wade was better than Melo, sorry!) was a disaster for sure...but only in hindsight. Sort of like picking Zion #1. At the time, everyone thought it was a good idea, only for things to not pan out.
I remember it much differently where Carmelo was the consensus #2 with Bosh being considered the best big man, especially after Darko worked out for teams but, yeah, he was still a top 5 prospect at the time so it wasn't like a reach or anything. Just turned out horrifically when looking at the rest of the top 5. Sort of like the Kings taking Bagley second overall where the rest of the top 5 went Ayton, JJJ, Doncic, and Trae.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 2:02 pm to From Rice to Ingram
Just saw a mock that had him falling to 5. Jumping from 7 to 5 is better than jumping up to 3 potentially. The question is what would it take
Posted on 6/16/25 at 3:52 pm to supe12sta12z
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Derik Queen Maryland C
Egor Demin BYU PG
Nique Clifford Colorado St SG
Asa Newell Georgia PF
Will Riley Illinois SF
Steven Crowl Wisconsin PF
Johnell Davis Arkansas PG
RJ Davis North Carolina PG
Hunter Dickinson Kansas C
Caleb Grill Missouri SG
CJ Huntley Appalachian St PF
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Cedric Coward Washington St SG
Kon Knueppel Duke SG
Updated with two more interesting prospects. Looks like we are starting to ramp up the workouts with guys who are actually within our range.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 3:59 pm to Geauxldilocks
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The great GMs maintain and build after winning a title, not run it in the ground. Those types are the worst because once on top it gets easier to attract FA talent.
It takes incompetence to wreck a franchise like Dumars did as quickly as he did and he’s making the same mistakes.
My god, you are stupid. Let me get this straight:
1. GM's who win championships and then run the team into the ground are "the worst." Worse than GM's who don't win championships!
2. Joe Dumars is "making the same mistakes" as he did in Detroit, despite not making any moves.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 4:11 pm to FightinTigersDammit
I guess you have never watched Maxey play if you are questioning his layup ability
Posted on 6/16/25 at 4:37 pm to 3PieceSpicy
I have never read those three words arranged in that exact order.
Also, I've never heard a coach or talking head referring to a player's "layup package", whether special or not.
Also, I've never heard a coach or talking head referring to a player's "layup package", whether special or not.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 9:25 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Hooper Hooper’s know exactly what I am talking about. Unfortunately after 6 years of Griff and Zion brainwash, there are about 6 people left that know ball on this board.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 8:38 am to Tigerjim09
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Tyrese Maxey in College: 6’3, 198 lbs 14 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 3.2 apg 42/29/83 shooting splits Jeremiah Fears: 6’3, 182 lbs 17 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 4.1 apg 43/28/85 shooting splits People are revisionist about Maxey, he wasn’t some elite shooter in college. Beyond just the stats their games looked really similar if you actually watch them. Fears also reclassified and should’ve been a senior in high school last year, he’s the upside swing worth taking in this draft if you stick at 7.
The biggest difference to me is Maxey was a lot stronger. Hopefully fears can add weight. Maxey is a smaller guard but he’s strong and contact doesnt affect him as much. You could see fears really struggled with contact.
Fears has some of the best handles I’ve seen from a prospect since Kyrie. I’m not worried about Fears’s shot. He has good form and is a good FT shooter. I’ve come around a lot on fears, I’d be more than happy if he was the pick at 7 but don’t expect him to contribute right away. He’s probably going to be pretty bad his rookie year
Posted on 6/17/25 at 8:43 am to Balsamic_duck
Fears has to add weight if he wants to succeed as a lead guard. Needs to gain at least 10 lbs which is doable. He has a decent frame. Doesn’t have narrow shoulders.
I feel pretty good about this draft regardless. A lot of intriguing prospects at 7. They should go for upside tho. Do not play it safe
I feel pretty good about this draft regardless. A lot of intriguing prospects at 7. They should go for upside tho. Do not play it safe
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