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re: Pels vs Mavs: Surely
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:16 pm to Broski
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:16 pm to Broski
quote:I don’t think they watch much nba outside of pels. Lakers had injuries last season and still did well, Bucks have had issues with Middleton and still do well, nuggets have lost Murray and MPJ and still do well. We can go on and on.
Yeah, we've had a lot of injuries, but to act like we're the only team that happens to is just weird
We have two of of “Star” players fully healthy and we still can’t win
This post was edited on 11/12/23 at 8:17 pm
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:16 pm to Terrific Tales
So we just can't win with or without both our star players. Got it.
This post was edited on 11/12/23 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:16 pm to shel311
quote:
get it. If you think we can go on a run late in the season to get to 36 wins and hopefully win 2 play in games to secure an 8 seed and get bounced in the 1st round, I get it.
Anyone that wants that doesn't know how the NBA works.
That is literally the last thing you should want.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:16 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:So once everyone is healthy, look out league....what's your confidence level in that "everyone healthy" part?
Did y'all watch the first couple of games? When we had CJ, Zion, BI, and Herb all healthy, we looked really good.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:17 pm to whatiknowsofar
The fact we didnt run action for Matt Ryan this game until we were down 30 is GOOFY AF
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:17 pm to shel311
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But if you think this roster is a top 4 team in the West when healthy, you should be seeing some serious red flags right now.
I cant answer this question because I don’t know if I’ll ever see it.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:18 pm to shel311
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BI doesn't fit what we want to do.
I agree
quote:
Zion is literally not actually good at a single thing through 10 games this season. not saying he won't get better, I'm saying in the 10 games he played, he did not do anything well. He played no defense, he's averaging 4 assists per game, and he's very inefficiently scoring. It's not that he's not playing at top 10 level, he's not playing at the level of an average basketball player right now.
I really agree with this. I feel like he’s regressing, he’s out of shape and he’s one dimensional. I’m going to wait to completely pass judgment once he has some other talent on the court with him.
Point Zion running a unit with 4 shooters is probably his best chance. He has not developed any sort of mid range and his hall handling skills have gotten worse.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:19 pm to shel311
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WIKSF said that any team, let's use the Nuggets...if the Nuggets had Murray and Jokic for 7 and 8 out of 10 games but a few other injuries, his argument is that even the Nuggets would be a bottom 2-3 team by Net Rating through 10 games. You believe that?
I was responding to you
That said this
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If your best 2 players are playing and you're still a bottom 2-3 team in the NBA, you have major issues. There's no way around that.
Because if the nuggets 2 best players weren’t playing I think they in fact would be that low
This post was edited on 11/12/23 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:19 pm to 50_Tiger
Literally was a play Ryan was wide open clapping his hands. BI took jumper made one free throw. Thats our MAIN PROBLEM. Dumb shite like that.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:19 pm to Broski
quote:This is the issue for me.
2) Even when we're healthy, we have some fundamental issues that probably has us topping out as like a 5-6 seed in the West.
And on top of that, if we continue not winning consistently, even if we magically get a couple of months of healthy Pels, we're going to dig a whole where success will be climbing up to the 7th seed or some shite and having to get to a play in game, then having to play the Nuggets or Suns or some shite for a quick 5 game 1st round exit.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:20 pm to shel311
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you are on record stating through 10 games, you think the effort has been there, right?
It's been inconsistent at best. A lot of that is due to personnel and injury.
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do those 2 players have to do with the effort and execution of our top 2 players?
Zion needs time to get into shape. It is inexcusable, but he is aware of it. Ingram missed time with a knee issue. They've both never been good on defense, save for last season game 20-28 zion.
The crazy thing is you can mask some of that when you have an all nba switching defense and your switch 5 isn't a shell of his former self. Like we did last year.
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Are you conceding we're not a top 4 West team, and just comparing us to hopefully getting a top 10 seed and getting into the play in? That's what it sounds like. Because if you think we have top 4 talent and you're not quite concerned with what our best 2 players are doing this season, i'm not sure what you're watching.
This is easily a top 4 team healthy after 30 games. The talent is there, they have legit 3pt shooters, some special defenders, and a guy that is the total x factor (Zion) of making it all work, which he fricking has before.
I'm so sorry I'm not losing my shite like you guys after 10 fricking games.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:20 pm to tigerinjac
I don’t see Willie as passive . He’s not SVG but that didn’t work either .
In its current form the NBA is a star driven league . Ingram Is a quiet guy and Zion is lazy. Our stars are not leaders and won’t ever be which will continue to be a kryptonite fit this team .
In its current form the NBA is a star driven league . Ingram Is a quiet guy and Zion is lazy. Our stars are not leaders and won’t ever be which will continue to be a kryptonite fit this team .
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:20 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:The Nuggets. Didn't they win 48 games 2 seasons ago with almost the exact situation for the entire season, not just 10 games? LOL. Wait, not exact same situation, actually worse. They were missing their 2nd and 3rd best player, so they didn't even have their top 2 dudes, only 1 of 2.
Still waiting on your answer shel. Which team would have a better record against the teams we've played?
What do I win?
I can't believe you actually doubled down and bumped your post saying every team in the NBA would be bottom 2-3 in Net Rating WITH their best 2 players healthy but a few other injuries in their rotation.
This post was edited on 11/12/23 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:21 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Zion needs time to get into shape. It is inexcusable, but he is aware of it.
Curious... what makes you think he is aware of it?
And if he is aware of it and still refuses to take it seriously, then that's an even larger problem.
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This is easily a top 4 team healthy after 30 games.
This is the most adorable thing that has ever been said on this board.
This post was edited on 11/12/23 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:23 pm to whatiknowsofar
The X factor has just been a pretty good scorer so far this year . He’s turning it over at an alarming rate , his efficiency is way below what he’s done in the past , the effort has been putrid .
And yes favs want to see him play at an all star level every game bc there is the constant wonder of how many more games will see see him this season.
And yes favs want to see him play at an all star level every game bc there is the constant wonder of how many more games will see see him this season.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:23 pm to Broski
Exactly at this point Zion is all talk. He looks the same and his game hasn’t evolved
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:23 pm to shel311
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said that any team, let's use the Nuggets...if the Nuggets had Murray and Jokic for 7 and 8 out of 10 games but a few other injuries, his argument is that even the Nuggets would be a bottom 2-3 team by Net Rating through 10 games. You believe that?
They would easily have the same record as us. If not worse.
That would be aaron Gordon, mpj, kcp, and a guy like Reggie Jackson. That's massive for them
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:24 pm to AboveTheRim
Lets be fair here, Zion has never been given a chance to be a leader. At every turn the front office and coaching staff has gone out of their way to say that he's not the leader of this team and that it’s Ingram’s team.
When Ingram is out and Zion is on the court I don’t know if I’m the only one but I see a FAR different Zion. No matter what’s said in press conferences, I really don’t think they like playing with each other.
When Ingram is out and Zion is on the court I don’t know if I’m the only one but I see a FAR different Zion. No matter what’s said in press conferences, I really don’t think they like playing with each other.
This post was edited on 11/12/23 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:25 pm to AboveTheRim
The one thing SVG identified very early on was that Ingram needed learn how to play off ball and shoot the 3 more while Zion needed to be the best player on the team with the ball in his hands to succeed. SVG is many things but he knew exactly how this team had to develop in order to take the next step. Unfortunately Willie is too busy playing 1a and 1b to enforce the hierarchy.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 8:25 pm to whatiknowsofar
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They would easily have the same record as us. If not worse.
Except there is literally data that says the opposite would happen.
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