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Posted on 4/4/19 at 5:13 pm to Bronc
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Kerr and Myers don't have Comp Sci backgrounds either, but outside of Houston there probably isn't a better example of successfully incorporating analytics into a program from front office to the court than Golden State....Heck, they are arguably better at it than Houston has been.
They are much more scouting driven than Morey/Houston. Their analytics stuff was developed by Kirk Lacob and they have the benefit of being in the Bay area.
I am going to listen to as much of the Sloan stuff from him as I can to try and figure him out to see if I can separate his contributions/style from Morey's brilliance.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 5:22 pm to Fun Bunch
Yea Ferry or Griffin would very much be a Pelicans move.
But it gives me some confidence hearing this Ford guy is heading up the search. Hoping thats enough to save Gayle from a conservative move and make the right hire. Whatever that is
But it gives me some confidence hearing this Ford guy is heading up the search. Hoping thats enough to save Gayle from a conservative move and make the right hire. Whatever that is
Posted on 4/4/19 at 5:26 pm to DeionDeion
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Ferry or Griffin would very much be a Pelicans move.
I think my ideal is to hire Langdon and retain Ferry as a senior consultant.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 5:54 pm to NOFOX
quote:There is a misconception that the Rockets rely mostly on analytics. The Rockets scout a LOT. Morey and others are often posting from overseas because they are scouting players.
They are much more scouting driven than Morey/Houston.
That’s how they signed Patrick Beverley. He was playing in Russia when the Rockets signed him.
They are all about information. Analytics is one aspect of information gathering to help make better decisions.
One area where they are heavily into analytics that people don’t think about is with probability and roster building. I’m not talking about analytics on specific players, but analytics on what moves would be smart to make from a salary cap / roster-building standpoint.
That’s why Morey rarely comes out as the loser in a deal. They are constantly calculating the probability of their moves to increase their odds of the ultimate goal of winning a championship. That’s where they are heavily into analytics. Being a GM is like playing a game, and analytics are used to increase their odds of finishing the game as the winner.
This post was edited on 4/4/19 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 6:07 pm to Fun Bunch
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mean, that sounds great. Sean Marks turned out to be a visionary choice.
And Langdon was Marks’ first hire
Langdon went out and identified a guy like Roddy Kurucs, a dude who was getting zero time playing in Barcelona, grabs him at 40 and in return Kurucs is getting important minutes on a playoff squad as a 20 year old
Love that he was able to identify a guy like that, one who is a teenage lativian kid who was not even getting euro minutes
Posted on 4/4/19 at 6:35 pm to PrimeTime Money
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That’s why Morey rarely comes out as the loser in a deal. They are constantly calculating the probability of their moves to increase their odds of the ultimate goal of winning a championship. That’s where they are heavily into analytics. Being a GM is like playing a game, and analytics are used to increase their odds of finishing the game as the winner.
eh..he's knocked some out the park I will admit
but he lucked out on some bad ideas (i.e. Bosh) and did go through with some atrocious ones as well (i.e. Ryno).
the benefit is that his misses don't outweigh his hits
Posted on 4/4/19 at 6:48 pm to Fun Bunch
I could live with those hires at least
Certainly better than Harris/Shepherd or guys like mchale
Certainly better than Harris/Shepherd or guys like mchale
Posted on 4/4/19 at 7:03 pm to htran90
That CP3 contract is a big yikes too.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 7:21 pm to Fun Bunch
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Langdon is probably the biggest boom or bust option. Could be epic or an epic disaster.
He could just as easily be average.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 7:35 pm to htran90
quote:That’s all calculated. They calculate their options if things don’t work out.
eh..he's knocked some out the park I will admit
but he lucked out on some bad ideas (i.e. Bosh) and did go through with some atrocious ones as well (i.e. Ryno).
the benefit is that his misses don't outweigh his hits
Nobody is going to hit on everything. But the point is to increase the odds of winning a championship.
Ryno is just about the only actual bad deal I can think of. And that was a weird situation with the cap going way up in a single season and then not increasing in future years like it was expected. A lot of teams were stuck with bad contracts.
But if you look at the moves he made to correct it, he was able to trade Ryno for Chriss and Knight, and flipped them at the trade deadline for Iman Shumpert.
Not only did he get rid of Ryno, Knight, and Chriss for an actually useful player in Shumpert, he was also able to get under the luxury tax for this season so that they will be able to pay the luxury tax these next few seasons without the brutal repeater tax hampering any future moves.
It was some of his best work in my opinion.
Anyway, the point is that their heaviest use of analytics is with roster building under the CBA more-so than just the analytics used analyzing individual players.
This post was edited on 4/4/19 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 7:42 pm to CocoLoco
quote:I’m sure he’s well aware of the risks and has done all of the calculations and concluded it was worth it.
That CP3 contract is a big yikes too.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 7:46 pm to St Augustine
Slightly above average is also a possibility
Posted on 4/4/19 at 7:47 pm to PrimeTime Money
Obviously if the Rockets win a title the CP3 mega extension was worth it, and I do have a funny feeling GS isn't winning it this year. But, if they don't win it what is the escape plan from this contract in a couple years. If he continues to diminish he will have one of the 3 worst contracts in the league.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 7:47 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:yiu say this a Pels move is already a thing
such a Pelicans move
Posted on 4/4/19 at 8:39 pm to Chad504boy
I don't want Griffin or Ferry. frick that shite.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 10:53 pm to CocoLoco
Considering the worst two contracts in the league right now are John Wall and Andrew Wiggins, CP3 may not make the cut for top 3.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 10:55 pm to NOFOX
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They are much more scouting driven than Morey/Houston. Their analytics stuff was developed by Kirk Lacob and they have the benefit of being in the Bay area.
I am going to listen to as much of the Sloan stuff from him as I can to try and figure him out to see if I can separate his contributions/style from Morey's brilliance
The point being is not to say they are the geniuses crunching the numbers, it’s to say that what is more important to me is having the knowledge and capabilities to put together the right structure and people in place(with the right demeanor to go with it) to enable these processes to thrive toward an optimal level that can give you some of these competitive advantages good organizations carve out for themselves.
This post was edited on 4/4/19 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 11:44 pm to PrimeTime Money
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I’m sure he’s well aware of the risks and has done all of the calculations and concluded it was worth it.
You just keep saying calculations. You literally don't even know what that means
Posted on 4/5/19 at 12:13 am to Bronc
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The point being is not to say they are the geniuses crunching the numbers, it’s to say that what is more important to me is having the knowledge and capabilities to put together the right structure and people in place(with the right demeanor to go with it) to enable these processes to thrive toward an optimal level that can give you some of these competitive advantages good organizations carve out for themselves.
Other than working under Morey who is brilliant, what leads you to believe Rosas possesses the knowledge and capability to do that? How do you know if Rosas is able to accomplish that without the lead of Morey?
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