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Posted on 4/24/19 at 7:47 pm to bayarea_ryan
For one game, I'd probably go Harden and fully healthy Paul George. For next few years, I'd probably go Lillard/AD
Posted on 4/24/19 at 7:51 pm to Crewz
I think about the 10th pick from that draft a lot
If only Dame had flown under the radar or Minny had sucked a little more
If only Dame had flown under the radar or Minny had sucked a little more
Posted on 4/24/19 at 7:53 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Our luck, Lillard dislocates his shoulder Game 1 and it never pops back into place, is known as one of the worst shooters in the league
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:23 pm to Crewz
I think coaching plays a huge role in this decision.
Assuming a great head coach, I'd go:
Harden/CP3 (and i hate James Harden, but he's one of the best closers in the game, could care less about CP3 even though i still love the guy, Harden is better by himself than the other duo's)
Dame/CJ (b/c i think Dame is a great closer, and not just b/c of the awesome 50 burger he put it up last night. CJ's 4 quarter is overlooked in that game last night, and they wouldn't have won without him)
PG/Russ (b/c i think PG is a better closer than the rest of the list, and with a good coach, they force Russ's dumbass to give the ball up and let PG close teams out instead of having Russ throw up shite shots to close teams out)
Jokic/Murray (their offense trumps AD/Jrue's defense)
AD/Jrue (see above)
Mitchell/Gobert
Assuming a great head coach, I'd go:
Harden/CP3 (and i hate James Harden, but he's one of the best closers in the game, could care less about CP3 even though i still love the guy, Harden is better by himself than the other duo's)
Dame/CJ (b/c i think Dame is a great closer, and not just b/c of the awesome 50 burger he put it up last night. CJ's 4 quarter is overlooked in that game last night, and they wouldn't have won without him)
PG/Russ (b/c i think PG is a better closer than the rest of the list, and with a good coach, they force Russ's dumbass to give the ball up and let PG close teams out instead of having Russ throw up shite shots to close teams out)
Jokic/Murray (their offense trumps AD/Jrue's defense)
AD/Jrue (see above)
Mitchell/Gobert
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:44 pm to Fun Bunch
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The problem is that we got a Hakeem level talent in a world where Hakeems are virtually irrelevent.
I've been in agreement with a lot of your posts lately, but this just isn't anywhere close. AD is no where near Hakeem's talent. An offense could be built centered around Hakeem today, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, or 50 years ago, and that team would win 50 games a year regardless of it's role players. AD needs the exact ingredients in teammates to hit 50 wins.
Can anyone name the 2nd best player on Olajuwon's 1994 nba championship team? It wasn't old arse Clyde Drexler b/c he didn't join them until the next year.
Kenny Smith?????
Vernon Maxwell????
Young Robert Horry????
Otis Thorpe??????
If Kenny Smith wasn't on TNT, and Horry wasn't the 5th best player on the Kobe/Shaq teams, would the vast majority of people even know who those guys were? And hate the Rockets.
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:07 pm to Crewz
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Our luck, Lillard dislocates his shoulder Game 1 and it never pops back into place, is known as one of the worst shooters in the league
“Quits basketball to marry Mary Jane and be the king of the gutter punks”
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:32 pm to saints5021
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In today's NBA, it would be hard to pass up on PG/Russ.
So you like your point guards to consistently have 6-22 shooting nights and average 20% from behind the arc
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:51 pm to Crewz
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My point in this thread is to remove Golden State and show that top talent wise, the Pels are as good if not better than every other team in the West. So they aren't THAT far off if AD says he is all in.
And this is what boogles my mind as to why AD asked to be traded. If the rumors are as true as they seem, and KD is NY bound, the west could be wide open for at least a top 2-3 seed.
Out of all those players mentioned (Harden aside), AD is still by far the best player in that group.
Houston's run as a contender may be over after this season due to father time finally ripping the last bits of youthfulness from Paul.
Denver is probably your biggest worry due to the age of their young core. But Murray has been a wildly inconsistent player, Harris (whom I love) can't seem to stay healthy, and while Jokic is a monster, his game isn't built around supreme athleticism. Which makes me wonder if he will be a low ceiling/high floor superstar. With that being said, I think Jokic and his passing will age very well.
As for Portland, Dame is a beast, but how far will two small guards get you?
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:57 pm to 504Voodoo
Again, this is with April 24th knowledge at your disposal. When he requested the trade, the team was .500 with no real moves in sight and more than that, the ownership was AT BEST half way in.
They treated this team as a third priority. We had one scout, no real scouting or analytics department, a lame duck GM with a part time consultant assistant who was barely ever in the building. Meanwhile, the best player in the world is recruiting him and telling him they can add Kyrie or Klay this summer.
It makes a ton of sense. At least it did then. Now, the Lakers are a mess, Lebron looks like he might be hurt far more regularly moving forward. Nobody is likely to be there, and more importantly, ownership is 100% in and hired someone to oversee it all while creating real departments for the first time literally ever in this franchises history.
This really needs to be understood. Consider the time when he made the request when trying to understand his mindset. If the goal is to really understand it, that is. My feeling is that since emotion is involved, most don't have a huge desire to REALLY see his perspective
They treated this team as a third priority. We had one scout, no real scouting or analytics department, a lame duck GM with a part time consultant assistant who was barely ever in the building. Meanwhile, the best player in the world is recruiting him and telling him they can add Kyrie or Klay this summer.
It makes a ton of sense. At least it did then. Now, the Lakers are a mess, Lebron looks like he might be hurt far more regularly moving forward. Nobody is likely to be there, and more importantly, ownership is 100% in and hired someone to oversee it all while creating real departments for the first time literally ever in this franchises history.
This really needs to be understood. Consider the time when he made the request when trying to understand his mindset. If the goal is to really understand it, that is. My feeling is that since emotion is involved, most don't have a huge desire to REALLY see his perspective
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
I believe you missed my point entirely.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 11:53 pm to Crewz
Hard to put Dame number one in that group after Jrue just totally owned him in the series last year. Dame would fit so much better with AD instead of Jrue though.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 12:08 am to Townedrunkard
Lou Will/Harrell duo >
Posted on 4/25/19 at 12:41 am to SLafourche07
Jrue is better than McCollum. Do some of y’all really think CJ is better?
Posted on 4/25/19 at 6:23 am to CocoLoco
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Jrue is better than McCollum. Do some of y’all really think CJ is better?
Replying to me but not sure if directed at me.
I don't, that's why I eliminated Dame/CJ. I don't think CJ stacks up with the other #2 options.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 7:18 am to Crewz
I agree with all of that. If it's about commitment to winning, as much of it seems, from Davis's perspective the questions have to be:
How quickly can you get legit basketball operations up and running?
What plan do you have for making the team competitive year over year?
He's still young, but I doubt Davis wants to sign an extension to wait 2 years on a lottery pick or another mini-rebuild.
My question: Say Davis does commit to a supermax. What moves are the Pels making this summer that are more than the band aids we saw this past summer?I know you don't think they are far off from being a playoff team.
But thinking about building something sustainable over the life of a potential supermax, given the cap sheet and current roster, what's a broad outline of moves that can help now and not put them in the bind they were in?
How quickly can you get legit basketball operations up and running?
What plan do you have for making the team competitive year over year?
He's still young, but I doubt Davis wants to sign an extension to wait 2 years on a lottery pick or another mini-rebuild.
My question: Say Davis does commit to a supermax. What moves are the Pels making this summer that are more than the band aids we saw this past summer?I know you don't think they are far off from being a playoff team.
But thinking about building something sustainable over the life of a potential supermax, given the cap sheet and current roster, what's a broad outline of moves that can help now and not put them in the bind they were in?
Posted on 4/25/19 at 7:43 am to corndeaux
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He's still young, but I doubt Davis wants to sign an extension to wait 2 years on a lottery pick or another mini-rebuild.
At this point I don't really care what AD wants. Griffin needs to say, "This is what we envision. This is how we plan to get there. Are you in?"
If he is then great, but he's lost the privilege of having input.
And honestly, if Griffin takes this approach then AD is probably out and that's why I'm not POBO.
Posted on 4/25/19 at 7:50 am to SLafourche07
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At this point I don't really care what AD wants. Griffin needs to say, "This is what we envision. This is how we plan to get there. Are you in?"
If he is then great, but he's lost the privilege of having input.
And honestly, if Griffin takes this approach then AD is probably out and that's why I'm not POBO.
The amount of catering and asskissing these POBO/GMs do...
Posted on 4/25/19 at 7:52 am to corndeaux
Impossible to predict moves because it requires multiple parties to agree, whether it is a trade or a free agent signing.
But I will ask: What big moves did Portland make to go from being swept to possibly going to the WCF? Adding Seth Curry?
Again, it all comes down to what you think this team was before all the chaos. The point differential said they were a 45-47 win team. Better than that when they had an average PG (Payton) as opposed to a terrible one (Frazier)
Personally, I would attack the guard position. I think of AD and even KG in Minny and when those guys had the most success, they had two attacking guards. Payton is nice and all, but I want more of a threat. Somebody that defenses are scared of, even if I sacrifice on D a bit with that guy. It just puts so much pressure on the D when you have two aggressive guards that you have to worry about, knowing that AD is gonna clean up their mess if you hard contest them.
I know the Nets are gonna give big money to Russell and they will also eventually give a lot of money and usage to LeVert, so maybe they want to sell Dinwiddie before his numbers plummet because his role will be lessened. Maybe I can get Dragic for E'Twaun Moore if the Heat want to dump money and shift responsibilities. He aint the best but if I can get Jeff Teague for Solomon Hill, then I give that a try. Maybe I go get Mudiay and just tell him to attack relentlessly
But thats what I would do. I would also draft a guy with triple or home run potential at 7 and spend 500k- 1 mil a year for a personal coach, a personal trainer, etc JUST for that guy. Whether that is Sekou or Reddish or White, I identify that guys biggest weakness and get the best in that field to help develop that guy. Kind of like what Spurs did with Chip England and Kawhi.
But I will ask: What big moves did Portland make to go from being swept to possibly going to the WCF? Adding Seth Curry?
Again, it all comes down to what you think this team was before all the chaos. The point differential said they were a 45-47 win team. Better than that when they had an average PG (Payton) as opposed to a terrible one (Frazier)
Personally, I would attack the guard position. I think of AD and even KG in Minny and when those guys had the most success, they had two attacking guards. Payton is nice and all, but I want more of a threat. Somebody that defenses are scared of, even if I sacrifice on D a bit with that guy. It just puts so much pressure on the D when you have two aggressive guards that you have to worry about, knowing that AD is gonna clean up their mess if you hard contest them.
I know the Nets are gonna give big money to Russell and they will also eventually give a lot of money and usage to LeVert, so maybe they want to sell Dinwiddie before his numbers plummet because his role will be lessened. Maybe I can get Dragic for E'Twaun Moore if the Heat want to dump money and shift responsibilities. He aint the best but if I can get Jeff Teague for Solomon Hill, then I give that a try. Maybe I go get Mudiay and just tell him to attack relentlessly
But thats what I would do. I would also draft a guy with triple or home run potential at 7 and spend 500k- 1 mil a year for a personal coach, a personal trainer, etc JUST for that guy. Whether that is Sekou or Reddish or White, I identify that guys biggest weakness and get the best in that field to help develop that guy. Kind of like what Spurs did with Chip England and Kawhi.
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