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re: Shams: NBA targeting Dec 22nd Start, 72 game season
Posted on 10/23/20 at 4:38 pm to Soggymoss
Posted on 10/23/20 at 4:38 pm to Soggymoss
quote:You make it sound like a slam dunk. Dedmond is 31 and not the same player he was 3-4 years ago. Huerter is pretty good, and a rookie in a weak draft is still a gamble. I would think we could do better in a deal for Jrue.
You trade Jrue for long term pieces to put around Zion and Ingram, while still winning in the short term.
What if I told you we could trade Jrue and get in return:
A starting 5 that fits perfectly and spaces the floor
A 6'7 wing that hits the 3 at 38%
A primary ballhandler for the next 10 years
And still have 20 million or so in cap space to go grab another vet like Jerami Grant, PLUS still have the MLE.
We could achieve all that with the Jrue trade to Atlanta I posted above, and be far better off now and in the future.
Yes, I don't want to trade Jrue, but if we can improve our team now and in the future, then you do it.
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Posted on 10/23/20 at 4:38 pm to Soggymoss
Look dude that star that you want to get with that future 1st or #6 could end up being a #15 or late round pick. We can trade JJ for picks and we can trade Lonzo for picks and I really don't give a shite. But Jrue? Jrue is a top player in the league and we have 2 future monsters with BI/ Zion. We don't need to trade Jrue for possible draft stars. He is the 1 asset that we can trade and 100% get 1-2 guys that will be important next to BI/ Zion in the long run. We won't have to wait for them to develop, we won't have to wait to see if they are a bust. This isn't saying we won't also get picks but you bet your arse we will get more young assets > Dedmon and Heurter
If we don't get that return then it means Jrue is more vital to our team and he isn't getting traded.
If we don't get that return then it means Jrue is more vital to our team and he isn't getting traded.
This post was edited on 10/23/20 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 10/23/20 at 4:40 pm to brmark70816
Jrue is a very good 3rd option on a team with 2 superstars. We never had two superstars with Jrue. I guess besides boogie and AD but that was short lived
Posted on 10/23/20 at 4:43 pm to brmark70816
quote:That is a dilemma for teams. Do they want to pay Collins the max. I am not sure we would want to get into that position (although I do like Collins).
Just curious, why wouldn't you ask for Collins? Atlanta is struggling after his suspension about giving him a max. He can play Center, especially next to Zion and shoots really well. Could be a straight up swap. Holiday for Collins..
Posted on 10/23/20 at 4:51 pm to brmark70816
I wouldn't have Dedmon playing more than 10-15 mpg. His main goal is as a veteran mentor to Hayes and Jalen Smith (who I take at 13).
At 6, yes target would be Hayes. He's a fiery competitor, and will have a good/great NBA career.
Plus the 20 million for Grant.
So, my final roster would look along the lines of:
Ball/Hayes/NAW
Ingram/Hart/Redick
Grant/Heurter
Zion/Melli
Hayes/Smith/Dedmon
Still plenty of vet leadership, plenty pieces left for another trade if someone becomes available, and if not next season the season after they are in the playoffs
At 6, yes target would be Hayes. He's a fiery competitor, and will have a good/great NBA career.
Plus the 20 million for Grant.
So, my final roster would look along the lines of:
Ball/Hayes/NAW
Ingram/Hart/Redick
Grant/Heurter
Zion/Melli
Hayes/Smith/Dedmon
Still plenty of vet leadership, plenty pieces left for another trade if someone becomes available, and if not next season the season after they are in the playoffs
This post was edited on 10/23/20 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 10/23/20 at 4:52 pm to Soggymoss
Anyways, we got off the whole point of this thread.
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NBA league office informed Board of Governors of projected value for teams and players with Dec. 22 start versus later: More than $500 million, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 4:58 pm to Soggymoss
I know you want to move Ingram to SG. But you are benching a 15ppg guy (Redick), trading away a 20+ppg guy (Holiday) so you can replace them with a guy that scored 13ppg, plus you are giving him 20M a year. Is our defense that much better to overcome our much degraded offense?
This post was edited on 10/23/20 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 10/23/20 at 4:59 pm to Soggymoss
I would not pay Grant $20 million (not even sure we can get that far below the cap, but I assume you already calculated that). Hayes is not a lock to be great (or even a lock to be available at 6). I would rather keep Jrue than trade him for that Atlanta package.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 5:13 pm to brmark70816
I wouldn't give the entire 20 million to Grant. Just because I said we would end up with around 20 million, doesn't mean I give it all to him.
Redick comes off the bench already, what would be different about that?
Redick comes off the bench already, what would be different about that?
Posted on 10/23/20 at 5:15 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
not even sure we can get that far below the cap, but I assume you already calculated tha
Depends on the final cap, but if its 109, we can get to about 9 million by renouncing Favors and not picking up Miller's option. That trade would also save us around 9-10 million in salary.
This post was edited on 10/23/20 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 10/23/20 at 8:35 pm to Fun Bunch
WOW!!! Fast turn around! Perfect
Posted on 10/23/20 at 10:50 pm to Soggymoss
quote:
I wouldn't give the entire 20 million to Grant. Just because I said we would end up with around 20 million, doesn't mean I give it all to him.
Redick comes off the bench already, what would be different about that?
Sorry, it sounded like that is what you were saying-
quote:
Plus the 20 million for Grant.
Posted on 10/24/20 at 5:54 am to brmark70816
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If Holiday is that great and would have such an impact, why wouldn't we just keep him?
Maybe the end of Gentryball means that Jrue will be more effective for us. Jrue's biggest strength is that he's the best on-ball defender in the league in the halfcourt, but we lost so much potential benefit of that by running all the time and giving up easy buckets in transition. And Jrue is not anything particularly special offensively in transition.
I think that Jrue will be more valuable to us under SVG than under Gentry.
Posted on 10/24/20 at 10:35 am to NOSHAU
All good.
For the record, I would feel comfortable going 3/42-49 for Grant, but there's also other players I would target with that money if possible, like FVV
For the record, I would feel comfortable going 3/42-49 for Grant, but there's also other players I would target with that money if possible, like FVV
Posted on 11/3/20 at 4:54 pm to Soggymoss
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Shams Charania @ShamsCharania 13m
Sources: The NBPA will vote as soon as Thursday on the NBA’s 72-game, Dec. 22 proposal -- growing belief around players is that Christmas week start is inevitable.
NBA/NBPA are deciding between two ‘20-21 scenarios:
- Dec. 22: 72 games, regular season ends mid-May, Finals finish around July 22, Christmas revenue
- Jan. 18: 60 games, regular season ends in June, Finals end around Aug. 21
Details on @TheAthleticNBA
The players are already going to get an extra 30% taken out of their paycheck for Corona, they'd be crazy to lose another 25% for an extra month of rest.
This was really never a choice and some of the players are itching to get back.
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Josh Hart @joshhart 5h
I need the season back....my girl is writing me to do notes
Posted on 11/4/20 at 2:42 pm to TigerinATL
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The NBPA is holding team calls today, sharing with players details of a proposed agreement with NBA that includes a Dec. 1 start to camps, three preseason games and discussions on a salary escrow for players in the range of 18 percent for the next two years, sources tell ESPN.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 2:55 pm to Soggymoss
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salary escrow for players in the range of 18 percent for the next two years,
I guess there's the carrot the players needed to start early. Instead of 40% escrow this year, 18% escrow for 2 years.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 2:58 pm to TigerinATL
I would assume the 40% was thrown out there by the owners knowing that the players would balk, and then throwing out 18-18 to get the whole thing settled.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 6:47 am to Fun Bunch
Approved
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The NBPA player rep vote has completed, approving a December 22 start/72-game regular season, source tells ESPN. Next up: NBA/NBPA finishes financial terms on amended CBA, which will take into next week. Expect trade moratorium to be lifted shortly prior to Nov. 18 Draft.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 6:53 am to Fun Bunch
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Sources The NBA and NBPA are discussing a minimum of 2 percent annual growth in the salary cap and luxury tax for the duration of the collective bargaining agreement. Cap is expected to be $109M this offseason.
quote:
The NBA and NBPA are expected to discuss moving up the start of free agency as early as possible to accommodate players joining new teams so close to a Dec. 1 start of training camps, sources tell ESPN.
This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 6:55 am
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