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re: Shams/Woj Tweets on Lakers offer
Posted on 2/2/19 at 3:09 pm to NFLU
Posted on 2/2/19 at 3:09 pm to NFLU
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Why do the Pelicans feel that Ainge won't try to screw them over too?
it’s a risk
what is Ainge agrees to a deal including Tatum and he blows up again in the playoffs.
say they go to the finals even, riding Tatum
what then?
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 3:11 pm to cgrand
I think we know Ainge will try to screw us.
But he will at least use lube and give us a reach around, while LA will go in dry.
But he will at least use lube and give us a reach around, while LA will go in dry.
Posted on 2/2/19 at 3:16 pm to cgrand
But the other option is to take the Knicks deal now. If their pick isn't 1 or 2 it's not much different from the Lakers deal, just a lot of "tier 3 and tier 4" assets like they described the Lakers offer.
To me I'm grading deals by the best asset it gives me. With the Knicks there's an 86% chance they don't get the first pick and their offer gets a lot weaker. What are the odds Tatum either has a catastrophic injury or becomes the team leader? I'd put the odds of Tatum playing his way out of Boston's offer way lower than 86%, no? So you have to wait because the odds say Boston's a lot more likely to give you what you want in July.
To me I'm grading deals by the best asset it gives me. With the Knicks there's an 86% chance they don't get the first pick and their offer gets a lot weaker. What are the odds Tatum either has a catastrophic injury or becomes the team leader? I'd put the odds of Tatum playing his way out of Boston's offer way lower than 86%, no? So you have to wait because the odds say Boston's a lot more likely to give you what you want in July.
This post was edited on 2/2/19 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 2/2/19 at 3:27 pm to TigerinATL
just depends on this playoffs
I’m not sure I trade Tatum for Davis if he shows he can carry an ECF team
there will be pushback if he takes another leap
if Durant leaves and we get back to a “normal” league BOS may be able to stand pat on stars and win a title. I’m not going to be surprised if their best offer has Hayward as the centerpiece and not Tatum
I’m not sure I trade Tatum for Davis if he shows he can carry an ECF team
there will be pushback if he takes another leap
if Durant leaves and we get back to a “normal” league BOS may be able to stand pat on stars and win a title. I’m not going to be surprised if their best offer has Hayward as the centerpiece and not Tatum
This post was edited on 2/2/19 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 2/2/19 at 3:27 pm to TigerinATL
It Tatum DEFINITELY a better piece/asset than Barrett?
I'm not so sure. I would grade them as pretty much equal. At that point, if the Knicks get #2, then I am taking those two pieces out and then judging Knox, DSJ, other guys, NY and Dallas future picks vs. everything Boston is willing to include
I think that even if NY gets #2 and maybe even #3, they can still beat Boston's offer. But 4 or later, and no chance. Cant wait for May 14th
I'm not so sure. I would grade them as pretty much equal. At that point, if the Knicks get #2, then I am taking those two pieces out and then judging Knox, DSJ, other guys, NY and Dallas future picks vs. everything Boston is willing to include
I think that even if NY gets #2 and maybe even #3, they can still beat Boston's offer. But 4 or later, and no chance. Cant wait for May 14th
Posted on 2/2/19 at 3:29 pm to cgrand
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there will be pushback if he takes another leap
Right, but what are the odds of that leap happening. The comparison is the 86% chance that the Knicks package is disappointing. Even if it's 50/50 that Tatum takes a leap, that's still so much better odds than the Knicks of giving you a Tier 2 asset that you have to wait for them.
I don't watch college so I don't know how far the pick can fall, but the basic point is that's the comparison you do. Compare the Knicks lottery odds vs. what you think the odds are that this season Tatum plays himself out of the deal in a good or bad way. If the odds favor Boston you have to wait. If it's even close I think you make a deal now because there are so many other things that can come out of nowhere and screw you by waiting.
This post was edited on 2/2/19 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 2/2/19 at 3:31 pm to Crewz
we kinda know what the BOS picks are going to be though.
Posted on 2/2/19 at 3:38 pm to NOFOX
There is nothing I want on that LA roster.
LA should have been trying to deal with NY but Cuban got the drop on them
LA should have been trying to deal with NY but Cuban got the drop on them
This post was edited on 2/2/19 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 2/2/19 at 3:43 pm to TigerinATL
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If the odds favor Boston you have to wait. If it's even close I think you make a deal now because there are so many other things that can come out of nowhere and screw you by waiting.
So you think we should move on Knicks offer?
Posted on 2/2/19 at 3:48 pm to Crewz
quote:Do you have a feel for how the Pels value #2 or #3 in that scenario?
It Tatum DEFINITELY a better piece/asset than Barrett?
I'm not so sure. I would grade them as pretty much equal. At that point, if the Knicks get #2, then I am taking those two pieces out and then judging Knox, DSJ, other guys, NY and Dallas future picks vs. everything Boston is willing to include
I think that even if NY gets #2 and maybe even #3, they can still beat Boston's offer. But 4 or later, and no chance. Cant wait for May 14th
Posted on 2/2/19 at 3:49 pm to TOKEN
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So you think we should move on Knicks offer?
I don't think Tatum is going to take a huge leap or tear an achilles so I wait. I also am not the proper person to say whether New York has a 14% chance of giving you a player you see as Tier 2 or a 40.1% chance(top 3). That's still 60% odds that they disappoint you. So if Tatum 's odds of becoming untouchable are 50/50, which I think is generous, it's still a lot better odds than the Knicks 40/60 odds of getting a top 3 pick.
Posted on 2/2/19 at 5:43 pm to TigerinATL
Kevin Love was traded for two #1 overall picks (including the can’t miss prospect at the time Wiggins), Thaddeus Young, and trade exception.
I have to think Davis’s haul will be better than that from the Celtics or Knicks.
I have to think Davis’s haul will be better than that from the Celtics or Knicks.
Posted on 2/2/19 at 6:10 pm to Crewz
Tatum is definitely a better piece than Barrett. You know Tatum can flat out ball at the NBA level and is more likely than not to register multiple All-Star appearances. There's nothing in the Barrett game that would have you believe he can ball at the NBA level - I mean that just from the standpoint he hasn't done it yet and you're more likely to flop than to be Tatum.
The only question is whether Tatum will be included in a deal. The whole reason we're in this debate is strictly because Tatum has been so good that there's a concern the Celtics won't include him.
If Barrett turns into Tatum, that's a huge win for whoever drafts him.
Posted on 2/2/19 at 6:13 pm to Ryan5231
Based on that take, Tatum is a better asset than Zion. Heck, Terry Rozier is better than Zion because Rozier has done it on this level.
I need a better take than that. Sorry
I need a better take than that. Sorry
Posted on 2/2/19 at 6:14 pm to NOSHAU
Yes, Pels board is Zion and Barrett up top. Morant's lack of weight worries them and Reddish lack of alpha-ness concerns them. I think they would say there is quite a drop off from the 2nd pick to the 3rd pick.
Posted on 2/2/19 at 6:29 pm to Crewz
Based on your take, I think you need to learn reading comprehension. We're discussing someone of Barrett's prospect ranking, we're not talking about all prospects.
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:31 pm to Crewz
quote:So, it sounds like if the Knicks pull 1 or 2, they could put together a deal that the Pels would accept over Boston's best deal.
Yes, Pels board is Zion and Barrett up top. Morant's lack of weight worries them and Reddish lack of alpha-ness concerns them. I think they would say there is quite a drop off from the 2nd pick to the 3rd pick.
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:54 pm to NFLU
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Why do the Pelicans feel that Ainge won't try to screw them over too?
Indeed. Celtics have the same entitlement mentality as the Lakers - just like them. Ainge is no boy scout. If no Tatum, Celtics don't have much to offer, except for a few picks that aren't as good as they appear...and if they pull Tatum him back, the Pels are nowhere.
Posted on 2/2/19 at 8:25 pm to NOFOX
I do like Moritz Wagner from the Lakers.
6’11” and is very quick. Takes it to the whole strong, has a mid range game and shoots the 3. I know a trade won’t happen but this guy is good. plays with some attitude unlike some men his size
6’11” and is very quick. Takes it to the whole strong, has a mid range game and shoots the 3. I know a trade won’t happen but this guy is good. plays with some attitude unlike some men his size
This post was edited on 2/2/19 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 2/2/19 at 9:04 pm to Crewz
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Morant's lack of weight worries them
I don't care about weight. His game is like de'aaron fox. The Pelicans need him.
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