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Summarize this team with one statistic
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:55 am
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:55 am
Topic inspired by this Christian Clark tweet. LINK
Zion averages 3.8 defensive rebounds per game. List of GUARDS who average more:
Brandon Podziemski - 3.9
Coby White - 4.1
Max Strus - 4.2
Russell Westbrook - 4.2
Dejounte Murray - 4.3
Donovan Mitchell - 4.5
James Harden - 4.5
Josh Giddey - 4.8
Luka - 7.8
Funny that Luka can manage almost 8 per game when he can barely jump and carries a larger offensive burden than Zion.
Zion averages 3.8 defensive rebounds per game. List of GUARDS who average more:
Brandon Podziemski - 3.9
Coby White - 4.1
Max Strus - 4.2
Russell Westbrook - 4.2
Dejounte Murray - 4.3
Donovan Mitchell - 4.5
James Harden - 4.5
Josh Giddey - 4.8
Luka - 7.8
Funny that Luka can manage almost 8 per game when he can barely jump and carries a larger offensive burden than Zion.
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:56 am to unctiger4
quote:You're stealing my schtick!!!
Zion averages 3.8 defensive rebounds per game. List of GUARDS who average more:
But yes, that's a good one. Zion simply refuses to try to rebound.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:58 am to shel311
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Zion simply refuses to try to rebound.
Something I really don't understand that would help some is Val and the other bigs like Larry letting Zion grab the board and letting him run. Lots of other teams defer to their star wing/big do this so they can set the offense up, it can get you into sets 2 seconds quicker, I just don't get it.
Not saying it'll fix the problem, but it would help
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:00 am to unctiger4
He's a scorer, who can really only score in one way. Oh yeah he also doesnt play defense or rebound.
Franchise player right here lol
Franchise player right here lol
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:23 am to shel311
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You're stealing my schtick!!!
McNamara tweets about it often and that’s honestly when I started to notice how pathetic of a stat it was. And it totally matches the eye test.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:27 am to unctiger4
Zion's minutes per game average.
Our supposed superstar is playing 6th man minutes because he can't get in shape.
Our supposed superstar is playing 6th man minutes because he can't get in shape.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 10:28 am
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:28 am to unctiger4
quote:Shel311 = Mac?
McNamara tweets about it often
But seriously, we saw just yesterday multiple examples of Mac reading the boards and seeing posts almost immediately after they were made, so it would make sense that Mac is just stealing my thunder as well all the times i've posted it on here lol.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:28 am to Broski
quote:That's the single stat for me too, above any other.
Zion's minutes per game average.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:30 am to Broski
quote:
Zion's minutes per game average. Our supposed superstar is playing 6th man minutes because he can't get in shape.
Its crazy he hasn’t played above 35 minutes this season and is averaging only 30- the lowest since his rookie year. We can blame his conditioning but is there some kind of mandate by the training staff here we don’t know about??
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:33 am to unctiger4
Pels stacked League fricked ..
member?
member?
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:39 am to Pels_Yaz
The only non-rookie “star” that’s close to Zion in MPG is Jamal Murray at 31.6. Zion is at 30.3.
He’s a damn fatass.
He’s a damn fatass.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:50 am to unctiger4
Pels have been playing without a PF all year. Zion’s a backcourt player, and that’s ok, Pels just need to adjust to the fact that Zion penciled in as PF is in name only.
4 Guard, 1 post lineup.
4 Guard, 1 post lineup.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 10:52 am
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:53 am to Pistol44
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Pels have been playing without a PF all year. Zion’s a backcourt player, and that’s ok, Pels just need to adjust to the fact that Zion penciled in as PF is in name only.
I mean I agree but Lebron, who is 39, averages 7.4 rebounds as a point forward. I still think Zion is talented but this season his minutes and rebound numbers are drastically down.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:56 am to Pistol44
quote:
Pels have been playing without a PF all year. Zion’s a backcourt player, and that’s ok, Pels just need to adjust to the fact that Zion penciled in as PF is in name only.
Imagine telling Pistol44 in the lead up to the 2019 draft that Zion would be averaging less than 4 DREB in his 5th year with the team.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:11 am to whatiknowsofar
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Something I really don't understand that would help some is Val and the other bigs like Larry letting Zion grab the board and letting him run.
This isn't a meaningful issue. Zion is too busy trying to leak out, so he's not there for them to "let" him grab the rebound.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:12 am to Pistol44
quote:
Pels have been playing without a PF all year. Zion’s a backcourt player, and that’s ok, Pels just need to adjust to the fact that Zion penciled in as PF is in name only.
That's what he wants to be, but he's not capable of guarding 1-3, so he can't be that.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:21 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:
Something I really don't understand that would help some is Val and the other bigs like Larry letting Zion grab the board and letting him run. Lots of other teams defer to their star wing/big do this so they can set the offense up, it can get you into sets 2 seconds quicker, I just don't get it.
Not saying it'll fix the problem, but it would help
We call it a "scavenger rebounder" problem. You have a player that goes out of his way to "pad" his rebound #s...even to the point of fighting his own teammates for uncontested rebounds. The problem is...your scavenger is the absolute last player you would prefer to grab the rebound. It just slows everything down...bottom line...preferred rebounder = Josh Hart and unpreferred rebounder = JV.
Now...replace Josh Hart with Dyson Daniels (or even Herb)...and you suddenly find the Pels playing at a much faster pace. More transition game. So...JV...get outta the way on uncontested rebounds & let DD & Herb "grab it & go".
JV has fairly obvious reasons for needing to be a "scavenger rebounder"...folks, everybody wants to feel needed & inflate his #s whenever possible...but you can spot a scavenger a mile away.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:21 am to Broski
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Imagine telling Pistol44 in the lead up to the 2019 draft that Zion would be averaging less than 4 DREB in his 5th year with the team
The Real Pistol44 ... RIP, would be averaging 12 assists per game and had Big Husky in shape running the court.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:24 am to Dinky Mulberry
quote:
JV has fairly obvious reasons for needing to be a "scavenger rebounder"..
I want 5 scavenger rebounders on the floor. Zion needs to learn to be a rebounder, then maybe he can become a scavenger rebounder.
I also think it's kind of silly to expect your center to let other people rebound the ball. He's looking up at the shot and the rim, not who is boxing out around him. If he stops "scavenge rebounding," you absolutely will give up more offensive rebounds. So, you get less quick break out opportunities, but also give up more second-chance points, which are often easier attempts as the defense resets.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 11:27 am
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:26 am to unctiger4
I’m not taking up for Big Z but is his job to break down the court for a fast break when the ball is put up?
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