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re: The 2022 NBA Draft Prospects Discussion Thread
Posted on 3/25/22 at 11:34 pm to saintsfan22
Posted on 3/25/22 at 11:34 pm to saintsfan22
Kinda think people are overreacting regarding Ivey. Yes he had a bad game but it happens. I’d run to the podium to get him if it was possible.
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Posted on 3/25/22 at 11:48 pm to jamal
Only issue I have with Ivey is his defense. Dude just stands around like he’s just waiting to get back on offense a lot of the time
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:20 am to Macintosh
Has anyone talked about Tyrese Hunter from Iowa St yet. Just a scrappy winning player.
Yes he torched LSU with 7 3s and he will always be remembered for that in my mind, but to be potentially one of the youngest prospects in the draft you can afford to stash him and let him learn. He’s mocked late first round and would love to see us take a flier on him. Him learning and growing under CJ just like Kira could help us developing into a nice guard rotation
Another 2nd round look I like is Tevin Brown from Murray St. 6’ 5” and can shoot with the best of them
Yes he torched LSU with 7 3s and he will always be remembered for that in my mind, but to be potentially one of the youngest prospects in the draft you can afford to stash him and let him learn. He’s mocked late first round and would love to see us take a flier on him. Him learning and growing under CJ just like Kira could help us developing into a nice guard rotation
Another 2nd round look I like is Tevin Brown from Murray St. 6’ 5” and can shoot with the best of them
This post was edited on 3/26/22 at 8:23 am
Posted on 3/26/22 at 8:38 am to Macintosh
I’m cooling a little bit on Ivey(still would have no problem taking him, but do question if he will ever be an all star level guard at the next level) while, despite a lackluster performance in their elimination game also, liking what I’m seeing from Mathurin if we can get the 9th or 10th pick
Almost everything about him and his game screams it will translate to the next level. And he would be a nice spark to develop off the bench if we could land him.
Almost everything about him and his game screams it will translate to the next level. And he would be a nice spark to develop off the bench if we could land him.
Posted on 3/26/22 at 9:33 am to Bronc
I have family that are huge Purdue fans and I’ve watched almost every Purdue game the last two years. I 100% agree with you that his game will translate better to the NBA than college, specifically he will get out in transition a lot more where he can thrive.
Having said that, I haven’t been an Ivey fan for a while. People love the idea of Ivey, but not the actual player. He’ll show flashes and you can see the potential, but he’s a frustrating player to watch. He is a poor decision maker, gets caught in the air with no where to go with the ball constantly, doesn’t have a lot of different ways to finish around the basket, and his vision is average at best. All year the offense ran better when it wasn’t going through Ivey. I also waited all year for a game that he really showed up for 40 minutes on the defensive end, and it never came. Again shows flashes, but he just doesn’t affect the game on that end of the floor like you would hope a guy with his tools would. Finally, and I hate to rag on college kids for this but I think it needs to be considered, he will show poor body language and pout when things aren’t going well (which showed up a lot last night in the first half). Though most guys will grow out of that and I think a lot of it has to do with the pressure he puts on himself. He clearly wants to be THE guy (which is a good thing), but will force the issue even if it comes to the detriment of his team.
I think he’s getting a slight “Ja bump” (similar to the Dirk and Manu bumps for Europeans we used to see and the Giannis bump for freak measurables), but he doesn’t have the top-end athleticism or court vision to be in Ja’s tier. I know some people want to put Ivey in the same group as the top 3, but there is a clear cutoff between the top 3 and him. I’d still be happy to have him on the team, but I’m not going to lose sleep over someone else taking him.
Having said that, I haven’t been an Ivey fan for a while. People love the idea of Ivey, but not the actual player. He’ll show flashes and you can see the potential, but he’s a frustrating player to watch. He is a poor decision maker, gets caught in the air with no where to go with the ball constantly, doesn’t have a lot of different ways to finish around the basket, and his vision is average at best. All year the offense ran better when it wasn’t going through Ivey. I also waited all year for a game that he really showed up for 40 minutes on the defensive end, and it never came. Again shows flashes, but he just doesn’t affect the game on that end of the floor like you would hope a guy with his tools would. Finally, and I hate to rag on college kids for this but I think it needs to be considered, he will show poor body language and pout when things aren’t going well (which showed up a lot last night in the first half). Though most guys will grow out of that and I think a lot of it has to do with the pressure he puts on himself. He clearly wants to be THE guy (which is a good thing), but will force the issue even if it comes to the detriment of his team.
I think he’s getting a slight “Ja bump” (similar to the Dirk and Manu bumps for Europeans we used to see and the Giannis bump for freak measurables), but he doesn’t have the top-end athleticism or court vision to be in Ja’s tier. I know some people want to put Ivey in the same group as the top 3, but there is a clear cutoff between the top 3 and him. I’d still be happy to have him on the team, but I’m not going to lose sleep over someone else taking him.
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:00 am to Baron
It's going to be asked at some point because he's mocked right around 9-10 but my question is:
What are the thoughts on Tari Eason? I admit I don't watch much college basketball besides a little LSU but would you guys take him at 9 or 10?
What are the thoughts on Tari Eason? I admit I don't watch much college basketball besides a little LSU but would you guys take him at 9 or 10?
This post was edited on 3/28/22 at 9:02 am
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:07 am to Baron
I agree with almost all that Baron.
Meanwhile, I've grown more impressed by Mathurin, despite him never living up to the "best natural shooter" billing some experts labeled him with.
His firey personality and supposedly elite work ethic would be perfect for this squad, and he's shown actual improvement year over year to go from a barely top 100 prospect to someone now expected to go top 10 with some big games under the biggest lights.
Has the size, switchability, and bag of skills that should all translate, and would slot in really nice off the bench for this squad as a 6'7 guard/forward that can get buckets and defend.
And if we somehow landed at 4? Honestly, I'm almost leaning AJ Griffin at this point
Meanwhile, I've grown more impressed by Mathurin, despite him never living up to the "best natural shooter" billing some experts labeled him with.
His firey personality and supposedly elite work ethic would be perfect for this squad, and he's shown actual improvement year over year to go from a barely top 100 prospect to someone now expected to go top 10 with some big games under the biggest lights.
Has the size, switchability, and bag of skills that should all translate, and would slot in really nice off the bench for this squad as a 6'7 guard/forward that can get buckets and defend.
And if we somehow landed at 4? Honestly, I'm almost leaning AJ Griffin at this point
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:14 am to LosLobos111
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What are the thoughts on Tari Eason?
My first thought is it's weird how little hype he is getting from the LSU basketball baws compared to the much, much lesser prospect of Cam Thomas last year. Who it seemed like the Tiger Basketball baws couldn't shut up about being this secret top prospect.
That said, I wouldnt exactly melt, not sure how he ultimately fits long-term on a team built around BI/Herb/Zion, but he'd probably be a menace off the bench, and if Vinson can work some magic, his upside is pretty high
Posted on 3/28/22 at 12:10 pm to LosLobos111
I think Eason will be a productive NBA player and wouldn’t melt if we took him at 10, it’s just there are 9 guys I like more than him. If we pick 9, one of Griffin, Murray, Davis, Mathurin, or Sharpe will be available who are all guys I like more than Eason (Davis is my least favorite of the group). I would even personally take Dyson Daniels (who I think we absolutely thrive with his hard nosed defense and Vinson fixing his shot) over Eason.
Eason’s game is not the prettiest to watch. He only really can shoot a set shot which has a low release and an awkward slingshot form. Although he can go coast-to-coast on a defensive rebound he doesn’t really create for others in those opportunities. He can get to the rim on slower bigs but is a head down/straight-line driver that is right hand dominant. He has a tendency to reach at times on D and will also commit dumb fouls especially after a miss. He’s also going to be 21 at draft night, which isn’t “old” but is still older than most of the other lottery prospects.
With that said, he has a lot of good in his game. He was asked to do a lot at LSU on both ends and I think his game grew as a result. With no true creator, Eason had to create a lot of looks for himself against a set defense that he shouldn’t have to in the NBA. Although he’ll reach some, when he moves his feet he has the length/strength/quickness to be a versatile defender that can potentially competently guard 4 positions at the next level. Even though his shot needs tweaking, it goes in at a decent clip and he’s a good enough FT shooter that you would believe that his shot will translate enough at the next level. Finally, his overall impact on the court was undeniable and that was backed up by the advanced stats. Almost every advanced stat absolutely loved him. He had a better PER and equal WS/per 40 as Chet (who the advanced stats love too), and that’s with LSU relying on Eason more on the offensive end. Non-traditional bigs that play in a major conference that put up advanced stats like his have an extremely low bust rate. Which is why I wouldn’t melt if we took him because I think he will be a useful rotational player at worst, although his ceiling might be “average starter.”
To Bronc’s point, you are right that it’s silly many LSU fans fawned over Cam but are dismissive of Eason, but I can understand why a casual basketball fan could feel that way. Cam has a fluidity to his game that Eason does not and Eason’s game can look ugly at times. There is no denying who the better college player was though.
Eason’s game is not the prettiest to watch. He only really can shoot a set shot which has a low release and an awkward slingshot form. Although he can go coast-to-coast on a defensive rebound he doesn’t really create for others in those opportunities. He can get to the rim on slower bigs but is a head down/straight-line driver that is right hand dominant. He has a tendency to reach at times on D and will also commit dumb fouls especially after a miss. He’s also going to be 21 at draft night, which isn’t “old” but is still older than most of the other lottery prospects.
With that said, he has a lot of good in his game. He was asked to do a lot at LSU on both ends and I think his game grew as a result. With no true creator, Eason had to create a lot of looks for himself against a set defense that he shouldn’t have to in the NBA. Although he’ll reach some, when he moves his feet he has the length/strength/quickness to be a versatile defender that can potentially competently guard 4 positions at the next level. Even though his shot needs tweaking, it goes in at a decent clip and he’s a good enough FT shooter that you would believe that his shot will translate enough at the next level. Finally, his overall impact on the court was undeniable and that was backed up by the advanced stats. Almost every advanced stat absolutely loved him. He had a better PER and equal WS/per 40 as Chet (who the advanced stats love too), and that’s with LSU relying on Eason more on the offensive end. Non-traditional bigs that play in a major conference that put up advanced stats like his have an extremely low bust rate. Which is why I wouldn’t melt if we took him because I think he will be a useful rotational player at worst, although his ceiling might be “average starter.”
To Bronc’s point, you are right that it’s silly many LSU fans fawned over Cam but are dismissive of Eason, but I can understand why a casual basketball fan could feel that way. Cam has a fluidity to his game that Eason does not and Eason’s game can look ugly at times. There is no denying who the better college player was though.
This post was edited on 3/28/22 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 3/28/22 at 12:20 pm to Baron
Massive fan of Eason, but the dumb fouls are infuriating and then he acts like he didn’t just mug the guy. In addition, I can assure you when he has the ball at the top of the key, he’s gonna drive right and if he faces a switching defender he’s gonna spin back in toward the middle. Easy read you saw tons of defenses catching him on later in the year
Posted on 3/28/22 at 12:41 pm to YungBuck
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In addition, I can assure you when he has the ball at the top of the key, he’s gonna drive right and if he faces a switching defender he’s gonna spin back in toward the middle. Easy read you saw tons of defenses catching him on later in the year
You’re not wrong, but he still maintained decent efficiency even when other teams knew what was coming. In SEC play he shot 50/40/79.8. He also had a 31 USG% for the year which is crazy when you think about his offensive limitations. In the NBA, he’ll have a more specific role, more guys who can create for him, and more spacing on the floor which should all help him a lot.
Posted on 3/28/22 at 1:29 pm to Baron
Honestly don't like Eason for this squad. He's kind of a tweener Wing/PF and we are pretty heavy now with BI, Zion, Murphy, Hayes, Herb, and Naji.
If we are drafting in the top 10 and keeping the pick, I would go with the highest ceiling guard like Griffin or Sharpe if they're still there or a future defensive anchor in a guy like Mark Williams. I think whoever we draft will be riding the bench for awhile.
If we are drafting in the top 10 and keeping the pick, I would go with the highest ceiling guard like Griffin or Sharpe if they're still there or a future defensive anchor in a guy like Mark Williams. I think whoever we draft will be riding the bench for awhile.
Posted on 3/28/22 at 1:41 pm to supe12sta12z
guards, guards, more guards and then a backup PF
Posted on 3/28/22 at 1:42 pm to cgrand
Sounds good to me...unless we get a top 2, then you sort of have to go with one of the big 3
This post was edited on 3/28/22 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 3/28/22 at 1:44 pm to supe12sta12z
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If we are drafting in the top 10 and keeping the pick, I would go with the highest ceiling guard like Griffin or Sharpe if they're still there or a future defensive anchor in a guy like Mark Williams. I think whoever we draft will be riding the bench for awhile.
If we had the 8-10th pick, I'd gamble it on Sharpe. Has the tools to be a solid combo guard with length that allows him to defend from 1-3.
Another guy I think would have a high potential to contribute longterm: murray. He can play down low and has a decent shooting stroke.
Posted on 3/28/22 at 4:06 pm to Baron
I appreciate the input 
I like what I've read about Daniels as well but any opinions on Agbaji(the KU senior guard) or malaki brantham? I know the latter is rising and the former is probably a trade back candidate right?
I like what I've read about Daniels as well but any opinions on Agbaji(the KU senior guard) or malaki brantham? I know the latter is rising and the former is probably a trade back candidate right?
Posted on 3/28/22 at 7:19 pm to LosLobos111
I don’t think trading back should be in our playbook, and if you want to be honest if we land 8/9 I want to maybe see some aggression for maybe a higher pick to go get who we want
Posted on 3/28/22 at 7:28 pm to LosLobos111
I’ll be shocked if Branham gets picked in the 20s-30s come draft night. I feel like I’m missing why he’s at where he’s at on people big boards. Seems like everyone who does draft stuff talks highly of his offense and defense and his only negatives are his playmaking isn’t great and that no one expected him to be a one and done to start the year. People having Tyty in the lottery but this kid as a late first is a head scratcher.
Posted on 3/28/22 at 10:41 pm to Macintosh
Watched most of the UA/Houston game. Mathurin didn’t play all that well but Houston game him a shitload of defensive attention with hard hedges/traps on ball screens. I think UA’s loss was more about the failings of the tertiary players than Mathurin. The lackadaisical defense on the dagger Kyler Edwards 3 ball was uninspiring, but I still think his combo of athleticism and sweet shooting stroke is too good to pass up if we have a top 10 pick.
Some other guys being debated ITT:
I like Tari Eason as a player, I think his floor is pretty high for a toolsy combo forward. But for our team, I’d rather us take a swing on a guard or true big. JMO.
Makai Branham is nice. He got more and more comfortable in the offense as the year went on and I think he will only continue to improve. Top 10 is a stretch but I have no issue if we were to get the Lakers non-playoff pick, trade back, and take Branham around 15 or so.
Ochai Agbagi I’m lukewarm about. I don’t doubt he’ll be able to shoot it in the NBA but I really would like to see more creation off the dribble than I have in the games I’ve watched him.
Some other guys being debated ITT:
I like Tari Eason as a player, I think his floor is pretty high for a toolsy combo forward. But for our team, I’d rather us take a swing on a guard or true big. JMO.
Makai Branham is nice. He got more and more comfortable in the offense as the year went on and I think he will only continue to improve. Top 10 is a stretch but I have no issue if we were to get the Lakers non-playoff pick, trade back, and take Branham around 15 or so.
Ochai Agbagi I’m lukewarm about. I don’t doubt he’ll be able to shoot it in the NBA but I really would like to see more creation off the dribble than I have in the games I’ve watched him.
This post was edited on 3/28/22 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 4/2/22 at 10:51 pm to eyeran
Like Banchero. Don't like how hard it was for him to get shots off against Brady Manek and Bacot in the second half, when things tightened up. Two dudes that will never earn a paycheck for their defense. Looked like he was trying to score on Gobert down the stretch.
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