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re: The case for keeping Jaxson Hayes
Posted on 7/12/22 at 11:13 am to Pistol44
Posted on 7/12/22 at 11:13 am to Pistol44
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Id like to see Jaxson come in camp around 245 and see if he can maintain his athleticism.
245?
You want Jaxson to gain 25 more pounds? that's a tough ask.
Getting to 230lbs would suffice for him. What he has going for him is his speed and agility.
I said it during the post season, if he's not running his arse off down the court every single missed shot, then he's rather worthless, same with going after offensive rebounds. That's his best skillset, being faster down the court than his defender, and his unteachable ability to catch the ball on the run and finish. His goal should be to play in short spurts for 4-5 minutes and just go balls to the wall with energy.
When he does that, it causes such havoc on the defense to get back and protect the rim. It allows us to prevent the other team from getting offensive rebounds, and it opens up our fast break to get wide open 3 point opportunities.
When i see him lazily walking up the court after a miss, i want to yell at him to get the frick moving or sit your lazy arse on the bench.
Jaxson can be a difference maker on the court just by out hustling the opponent on both ends of the court. That's his future in this league right now as he improves on other skills. he doesn't even have to score much to have a positive impact. Why he can't see this potential is why i've had enough of him and would like to move on from him.
and if you want a 240lb 4/5 guys, then we should trade for Zach Collins.
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Posted on 7/12/22 at 2:09 pm to TeddyPadillac
He played at 230 last year, 245 is a reasonable expectation for a 7’ 22 year old who knows his minutes will be at the 5 position this year. Zach Collins? Hope he can recover and get back healthy but the last I saw of him BI stuffed him and the ball in the hoop during the play in.
Posted on 7/12/22 at 2:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
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and if you want a 240lb 4/5 guys, then we should trade for Zach Collins.
Collins can actually defend the post and rebound. He's a better defender than Jaxson but doesn't provide much offense. He also makes about half a million more than Jaxson, which might matter if we're close to the tax.
But he might be a better fit for us than Jaxson, if the Bulls want to give us a 2nd-round pick or something. The problem is that he's played a total of 39 games in the last three years, so I dunno about his health now.
Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:06 pm to GOP_Tiger
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But he might be a better fit for us than Jaxson, if the Bulls want to give us a 2nd-round pick or something
Collins plays for the Spurs, and he's healthy, for now.
He also has zero dollars guaranteed for next year.
I was thinking a DG/Jax for Collins trade, which would put us $11M under the tax, and also give us a $11M TPE to use if we wanted. Would also allow us to use the full MLE if we wanted to.
Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:22 pm to TeddyPadillac
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if the Bulls want to give us a 2nd-round pick or something
LOL. I did not type that. I have no idea how autocorrect ended up with that. Thanks.
Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:55 pm to GOP_Tiger
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LOL. I did not type that. I have no idea how autocorrect ended up with that. Thanks.
My phone does that all the time. Crazy it never changes it to the correct answer.
Posted on 7/12/22 at 4:15 pm to GOP_Tiger
haha.
also, the spurs have like $90M in salaries, and the salary floor this year is $111M, so they without a doubt are looking to take on salaries, but i'm sure they are wanting to do so for a price, i would just hope Jax is enough of a price for them.
also, the spurs have like $90M in salaries, and the salary floor this year is $111M, so they without a doubt are looking to take on salaries, but i'm sure they are wanting to do so for a price, i would just hope Jax is enough of a price for them.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 10:56 am to GOP_Tiger
Jaxson has great athletic ability and enthusiasm/ high motor on the court.
He needs to learn his role. I think he has a good attitude, overall, but if the return for him is worthwhile, we should pull the trigger.
He needs to learn his role. I think he has a good attitude, overall, but if the return for him is worthwhile, we should pull the trigger.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 2:09 pm to geauxtigers87
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we're not paying him 20 million and that's what he'll get on the open market next year.
lmfao
Posted on 7/13/22 at 9:40 pm to TotesMcGotes
I would keep Hayes and trade JV. Hayes is a better fit next to Z, BI and CJ.
Zion and CJ are huge defensive liabilities. BI is average because of his length. The Pelicans need interior defense.
Jonas does not fit with the additions of Z and CJ into the line-up.
Zion and CJ are huge defensive liabilities. BI is average because of his length. The Pelicans need interior defense.
Jonas does not fit with the additions of Z and CJ into the line-up.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 9:50 pm to ErikGordan
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I would keep Hayes and trade JV. Hayes is a better fit next to Z, BI and CJ.
I’ll just chalk this idiotic statement up to your idiotic username.
In all seriousness though, we all hoped Hayes would be that person b/c he has the physical tools to be the perfect fit, but when he actually plays the game he comes no where near what we need at that position, and you know that.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 10:10 pm to ErikGordan
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Zion and CJ are huge defensive liabilities. BI is average because of his length. The Pelicans need interior defense.
We actually have no idea what kind of defensive player Zion will be in his new role.
But what makes you think Hayes has the defensive IQ to lead a Contending team and their defensive schemes?
JV has experience and is a higher IQ player and actually Hayes benefits from playing weak side.
It’s like some of y’all don’t even watch, or know what you’re looking at.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 10:42 pm to ErikGordan
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I would keep Hayes and trade JV. Hayes is a better fit next to Z, BI and CJ.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 5:26 am to ErikGordan
Posted on 7/14/22 at 6:48 am to ErikGordan
Ideally Jax would take his head out of his arse and learn how to be a rim protector, but it hasn’t happened and who knows if it will ever.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 10:48 am to ErikGordan
Honestly, I think the idea of Jaxson and the player he could potentially become is a better fit than JV, but he isn’t the Tyson Chandler 2.0 I was hoping he’d get to. Still super young though.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 4:44 pm to GOP_Tiger
He knows how to dribble and bounce women.
Posted on 7/14/22 at 5:11 pm to TotesMcGotes
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Honestly, I think the idea of Jaxson and the player he could potentially become is a better fit than JV, but he isn’t the Tyson Chandler 2.0 I was hoping he’d get to. Still super young though.
I think the team telling him to focus on perimeter skills this offseason says everything we need to know about the likelihood of Jaxson becoming the center we once hoped he could become. If Jaxson was going to learn to box out, he'd have done it by now.
The team realizes they aren't going to make him something he isn't, so they are trying to make him the best version of what he is. That will be valuable to some team, just not the Pels with the redundancies that they have on the roster.
Posted on 7/15/22 at 9:34 am to TigerinATL
I fully expect Jaxson to be an above average player in the league. And, like most players, it’ll be on his second contract with another team.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 9:47 am to ErikGordan
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would keep Hayes and trade JV. Hayes is a better fit next to Z, BI and CJ.
show your work.
give an example of a trade of JV. as others pointed out you need to actually look at what's possible. who needs a big Euro lug in the middle?
good for 18 and 9 on a snowy day in February on a long east coast swing.
hmmm? whats coming back?
2. hayes isn't ready to start at center on a contender. do you have him at the big man camp bill Walton runs?
if he's not up to it you just throw away a season of zion and ingram. jv gets a grade of B for interior play. and D- for pick and roll vs cp3. i can see Hayes getting b+ vs picknroll but D inside.
jv far superior rebounder too.
This post was edited on 7/16/22 at 9:56 am
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