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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:53 pm to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:53 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:If true, we may have to sign him and try to trade him later. If he wants max though, may have to play chicken and go into offseason on his final year. Not preferable.
According to Mike Scotto, Cavs don’t really have interest in BI- could also coincide with Borrego now being the top candidate. But this whole notion that BI’s trade value is pretty high doesn’t seem accurate.
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:56 pm to NOSHAU
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If true, we may have to sign him and try to trade him later. If he wants max though, may have to play chicken and go into offseason on his final year. Not preferable.
The best bet may be to sign him to lower than max and trade him. I don’t know how thatll go though. Either way it’s a problem.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 2:20 pm to NOSHAU
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If true, we may have to sign him and try to trade him later. If he wants max though, may have to play chicken and go into offseason on his final year. Not preferable.
Yeah that’ll be a hard pill to swallow if they do that. Everyone including BI knows we’re trying to trade him. Honestly you trade him for the best you can get and build around Zion. Signing a BI who knows he could be traded and not giving him the max- just creates an awkward situation for both parties.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 2:27 pm to Pels_Yaz
BI/Nance for Murray/Capella makes a lot of sense for both teams. I know people expected draft picks on top of something like that, but all things considered that's a pretty fair swap. Atlanta holding out for Herb or the Pels holding out for more assets probably gets both teams worse trades elsewhere.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 2:50 pm to TigerinATL
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BI/Nance for Murray/Capella makes a lot of sense for both teams. I know people expected draft picks on top of something like that, but all things considered that's a pretty fair swap. Atlanta holding out for Herb or the Pels holding out for more assets probably gets both teams worse trades elsewhere.
That’s definitely a deal where I feel like we lost but would at least understand where they were going. The Hawks would then go Trae, Hunter, BI, Johnson and Sarr which would be quite the turn around. Might be possible to get some seconds out of the Hawks, which seem like nothing until you are trying to trade at deadline and have given them all away like we have.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 2:54 pm to TigerinATL
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BI/Nance for Murray/Capella makes a lot of sense for both teams. I know people expected draft picks on top of something like that, but all things considered that's a pretty fair swap. Atlanta holding out for Herb or the Pels holding out for more assets probably gets both teams worse trades elsewhere.
I agree. I think when the dust settles, pels/hawks will fall back on this trade and move forward. Honestly, I think this makes our team better and in the end thats what your main goal should be.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:08 pm to TigerinATL
quote:That makes a ton of sense, but will it get done. BI/Nance and maybe another bench player or the 2024 1st makes sense for Garland/Allen as well, but latest reports indicate that the Cavs are not interested. Posturing? Who knows.
BI/Nance for Murray/Capella makes a lot of sense for both teams. I know people expected draft picks on top of something like that, but all things considered that's a pretty fair swap. Atlanta holding out for Herb or the Pels holding out for more assets probably gets both teams worse trades elsewhere.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:13 pm to NOSHAU
I'm curious as to if anyone has called interested in CJ.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:21 pm to TigerinATL
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BI/Nance for Murray/Capella makes a lot of sense for both teams.
I wouldn’t like it from our perspective, and the more I would think about it I think Atlanta may prefer to move Okongwu and keep Capella’s 22mill expiring. If they would prefer that and to move OO in the deal BI/Namce/Dyson for Murray/OO/Hunter makes sense for both teams also.
Pels have been hot after OO for a couple of years now, and Atlanta may see an opportunity to move Hunter as worth moving him, while they save 8 million this season.
On our side Hunter gives you a good 3&D player behind Trey, you just have to trust the new medical staff to keep him healthy. Wouldn’t be the deal I would love, but it would be a deal I can stomach.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:22 pm to Dantheman504
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I'm curious as to if anyone has called interested in CJ.
CheddahChaz on boot krewe had an interesting take on their pod, he said CJ has been frustrated with the coaching also along with others on the team.
Something to keep an eye on, but if this is true the decision to keep Willie is even more baffling
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:35 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Highly doubt they would prefer to move OO instead of Capela.
I wouldn’t like it from our perspective, and the more I would think about it I think Atlanta may prefer to move Okongwu and keep Capella’s 22mill expiring. If they would prefer that and to move OO in the deal BI/Namce/Dyson for Murray/OO/Hunter makes sense for both teams also.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:36 pm to Soggymoss
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Atlanta may prefer to
This is the crazy thing about this thread, Atlanta doesn't want, or need Ingram. They love Johnson, who is a 6'9 SF. Why would they go get a max 6'9 SF to take minutes from Johnson? They can't play major minutes next to each other. That why they want Jones, who can slide and play 4 positions.
The Cavs and Nets don't need or want Ingram either. Everybody keeps ignoring the obvious teams (Sixers, Heat, Hornets..) because they don't have the perfect assets to make a straight up swap or can't overwhelm us. It's lazy to keep going back to this same trades that aren't going to happen..
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:46 pm to brmark70816
Jalen plays the 4 spot for Atlanta not the 3. They’ve been playing Hunter at the 3.
OO has always been their backup, and with Sarr coming in would still be their backup. If they can package him and move Hunter to give them some breathing room under the tax and keep Capella as a mentor/22 mil expiring, I think they may choose that route. Where they stand right now they can’t even sign Sarr without going into the tax, so saving money will be something they look for also IMO
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Highly doubt they would prefer to move OO instead of Capela.
OO has always been their backup, and with Sarr coming in would still be their backup. If they can package him and move Hunter to give them some breathing room under the tax and keep Capella as a mentor/22 mil expiring, I think they may choose that route. Where they stand right now they can’t even sign Sarr without going into the tax, so saving money will be something they look for also IMO
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:47 pm to brmark70816
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This is the crazy thing about this thread, Atlanta doesn't want, or need Ingram. They love Johnson, who is a 6'9 SF. Why would they go get a max 6'9 SF to take minutes from Johnson? They can't play major minutes next to each other. That why they want Jones, who can slide and play 4 positions.
I think Jalen plays PF as well. When Collins left he got more playing time at PF. Nowadays, players in todays game are lot more versatile and aren’t locked at a certain position. I don’t think this is a concern for Hawks at all.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:51 pm to Soggymoss
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Something to keep an eye on, but if this is true the decision to keep Willie is even more baffling
They extended Willie just last year. They paid for SVG and Gentry when they were fired. This one honestly is on Griffin and management. There was no reason to give Willie an early extension. That decision now will lead to worse decisions down the line. Basically, they fricked up and the only hope is Willie makes some massive improvements as a coach.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 5:04 pm to brmark70816
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Atlanta doesn't want, or need Ingram.
Rumors started coming out during the season that Trae and Murray don't get a long and both can't be brought back. Murray is a Klutch client, so it could have been them trying to get Murray top billing in Atlanta, but neither has a good lockerroom rep, so having irreconcilable differences also seems like a reasonable assumption. They may not want or need Ingram, but they may feel compelled to make a move and see Ingram as the best store of value available to dump someone they gave up multiple firsts to get.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:05 pm to brmark70816
quote:Why don't the Cavs need him?
This is the crazy thing about this thread, Atlanta doesn't want, or need Ingram. They love Johnson, who is a 6'9 SF. Why would they go get a max 6'9 SF to take minutes from Johnson? They can't play major minutes next to each other. That why they want Jones, who can slide and play 4 positions.
The Cavs and Nets don't need or want Ingram either. Everybody keeps ignoring the obvious teams (Sixers, Heat, Hornets..) because they don't have the perfect assets to make a straight up swap or can't overwhelm us. It's lazy to keep going back to this same trades that aren't going to happen..
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:08 pm to Soggymoss
quote:They will not want to trade Hunter just to trade him though. They will not want to make their defense worse and they are very high on OO. Capela is not part of their future and was shopped last year. Dropping his $22 million contract in some deal could help them regarding the cap.
OO has always been their backup, and with Sarr coming in would still be their backup. If they can package him and move Hunter to give them some breathing room under the tax and keep Capella as a mentor/22 mil expiring, I think they may choose that route. Where they stand right now they can’t even sign Sarr without going into the tax, so saving money will be something they look for also IMO
Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:14 pm to NOSHAU
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They will not want to make their defense worse and they are very high on OO.
In what I proposed they get Dyson back so they probably upgrade defensively. It’s also been said they are shopping Hunter and looking to offload his salary. Also, I know they are high on OO, but they also won’t have anywhere to play him after they draft Sarr or Clingan.
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Dropping his $22 million contract in some deal could help them regarding the cap.
Not in a Murray/Capella for Ingram/Nance swap, they actually take in slightly more money than sending out.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:29 pm to NOSHAU
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They will not want to trade Hunter just to trade him though. They will not want to make their defense worse and they are very high on OO. Capela is not part of their future and was shopped last year. Dropping his $22 million contract in some deal could help them regarding the cap.
I agree with your other points but I’m pretty sure they want to get off of Hunter’s contract. His production nor his health matches the contract they gave him. Hes seen more as a negative asset.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 7:31 pm
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