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re: This article is pretty damning - Inside Draft Night - Shamit
Posted on 7/4/25 at 1:29 am to bluebarracuda
Posted on 7/4/25 at 1:29 am to bluebarracuda
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Ah yes, the Atlanta Hawks, a quality NBA front office
Definitely won the trade last year. Guess we will wait and see how this years trade plays out
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Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:17 am to Townedrunkard
I won’t say they won the trade last year, Murray dealt with a lot of personal issues and just got bad luck with injuries. Dyson Daniels still lacks offense. I think people forgot how much of a closer we need which is what Murray excels at.:
If this article was written by anyone besides Shamit I believe it. You’re telling me from 8-12, no one else wants to accept our package? Dude is a joke and always been a joke. We have the worst media out of everyone tbh.
If this article was written by anyone besides Shamit I believe it. You’re telling me from 8-12, no one else wants to accept our package? Dude is a joke and always been a joke. We have the worst media out of everyone tbh.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:27 am to duyp
You would imagine Phoenix would make that trade. More assets seems the right move rather than double up on another center
Posted on 7/4/25 at 9:56 am to GOP_Tiger
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It was a "Cortez burning the ships" kind of moment. A page has been turned and things are going to be different now. We aren't tanking, no matter what. We WILL win.
But we didn’t burn our biggest ship that we just towed across the ocean because its engine can’t or won’t run.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 10:28 am to duyp
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Dyson Daniels still lacks offense.
14 points a game isn’t a lack of offense, especially when you were voted the best defensive wing in all of basketball. And just turned 22. Herb hasn’t averaged that many points yet. DD will never be a number one or two option, that was never his game.
This post was edited on 7/4/25 at 11:24 am
Posted on 7/4/25 at 12:46 pm to NOSHAU
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You are completely missing the point! It may not, it may. The concern is - why take that unnecessary risk? We may luck out and the pick not be as valuable as it could be. However, why not protect it? Would you prefer to have a parachute when you jump out of a plane just in case you do not have a soft landing?
It’s just insanity. We almost certainly could have made this trade with top 3-5 protections.
The spurs were a 60 win team, David Robinson got hurt, they drafted Tim Duncan and the rest is history.
Never trade away a potential top 3 pick.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 12:49 pm to Townedrunkard
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14 points a game isn’t a lack of offense
Oh boy, a basic counting stat. Must be a towndrunkard argument
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especially when you were voted the best defensive wing in all of basketball.
Has nothing to do with offense
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Herb hasn’t averaged that many points yet.
Herb didn't get 4 extra attempts a game like Dyson had to get because the Hawks had nothing else on offense when Trae went down
Dyson was still below league average on a low volume from 3. Herb is still a far better 3pt shooter and scorer.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 5:52 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Oh boy, a basic counting stat. Must be a towndrunkard argument
Still gonna argue how badly the Pels won that trade, when the townedrunkard told you Griff was getting bent?
DD has more trade value by himself right now even if Murray didn’t get hurt.
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Dyson was still below league average on a low volume from 3. Herb is still a far better 3pt shooter and scorer.
Comparing apples to oranges, at his age DD is scoring more points than Herb did against grown men while Herb was playing against guys fresh out of high school at the time.
This post was edited on 7/4/25 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 7/4/25 at 5:58 pm to Townedrunkard
The Murray trade was awful.
Dyson > Murphy even before the injury. Now it’s not even close.
Dyson > Murphy even before the injury. Now it’s not even close.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 6:08 pm to Townedrunkard
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Still gonna argue how badly the Pels won that trade, when the townedrunkard told you Griff was getting bent?
Still gonna act on an i told you so when a guy pops his fricking Achilles? Yikes
Also who the frick refers to themselves in the 3rd person?
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DD has more trade value by himself right now even if Murray didn’t get hurt.
Bullllllshit hypothetical no one can prove.
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Comparing apples to oranges,
Its really not. Its just numbers that prove you wrong.
Dyson has never shot as well as herb has in the league. Ever.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 6:59 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Its really not. Its just numbers that prove you wrong. Dyson has never shot as well as herb has in the league. Ever.
You just made my point, Dyson woukd still be in college if he was on Herbs timeline.
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Its really not. Its just numbers that prove you wrong.
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Dyson has never shot as well as herb has in the league. Ever.
Lol
What are you talking about, he shot better than Herb last year, In fg% and 3pt%
Actually, DD 3pt% was better last year than Herbs in 3 of his 4 years in the league.
Like most of your takes, another major fail….
This post was edited on 7/4/25 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:01 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Still gonna act on an i told you so when a guy pops his fricking Achilles? Yikes
The injury has nothing to do with it. Maybe not you but anyone with half a brain would take a healthy DD over a healthy Murray today for what he’s shown so far and on future potential.
This post was edited on 7/4/25 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:27 pm to Townedrunkard
Hahahaha. When Herb tore his rotator cuff in his shooting shoulder in game 3. Good sample…
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:31 pm to ThePistol
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Hahahaha. When Herb tore his rotator cuff in his shooting shoulder in game 3. Good sample…
I’m not the one that made the statement that DD has ever out shot Herb….
Guess we ignoring the other part of my statement, 3 of Herbs 4 years…
This post was edited on 7/4/25 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:34 pm to Townedrunkard
How good were the Hawks this year? They won a couple of series? 1 series? No? Oh, I guess expectations matter. I guess injuries matter. Herb dove for a ball in game 3 and tore his rotator cuff. Dyson played for a bad team and accumulated stats.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:37 pm to ThePistol
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How good were the Hawks this year?
So we just totally changing the argument now lol.
Yes they are a bad franchise, makes it worse that this same franchise duped us last year and a good chance this year into bad trades…..
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Dyson played for a bad team and accumulated stats.
This is laughable. You mean he complied major awards. Something no one on our team did last year….
This post was edited on 7/4/25 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:40 pm to Townedrunkard
No. Context matters. Dyson put up stats on a bad team. He has yet to prove he contributes to winning. The hawks were a play in loser in the east. They were healthy. That was not an acceptable result for the Pels. He can defend. He still sucks on offense and has yet to contribute to winning.
Posted on 7/4/25 at 7:46 pm to ThePistol
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He has yet to prove he contributes to winning
Do you understand the game of basketball? It’s not all offense. Having a player on your team that’s the best in the league on one side of the court doesn’t contribute to winning now?
I’m sure you are another one that said DD sucks when we traded him last year.
This post was edited on 7/4/25 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 7/4/25 at 9:50 pm to Townedrunkard
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What are you talking about, he shot better than Herb last year, In fg% and 3pt%
Yeah what was different with herb last year vs previous years? Lol Jesus man you are grasping at straws at this point.
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Like most of your takes, another major fail….
You have no idea what you're talking about. As usual
Posted on 7/4/25 at 10:20 pm to Mad Scientist26
quote:Nah
The whole Pacers draft pick thing is a completely ridiculous hindsight lazy take. That trade was done while the Pacers were in the finals with a young team that everyone thought would be competitive next year. Absolutely no one knew Hailburton was going to blow his Achilles out before the game. To say that trade is completely terrible is total BS.
The trade was done after Haliburton strained his calf, and there's Pels fans all over Twitter talking about the risk of him tearing his Achilles. That wasn't a freak injury.
What was the upside to making the trade when we did as opposed to waiting until after the Finals?
Process vs Results. It was a terrible process. Massive downside, no upside.
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