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re: tOfficial NBA Draft Rumor Thread
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:39 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:39 pm to Fun Bunch
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That isn’t going to happen. If it did, there should be a meltdown.
I really don't know why Duren isn't considered more or isn't the top option.
We have 5 bigs on the roster. Zion isn't going anywhere. Val is 30 and has 2 years left on his deal. The other 3 bigs aren't keepers and are all on expiring deals. So, there is a need for a young big.
Its strange people want to bet on the upside of someone like Sharpe, based on talent and youth. Duren is more talented and younger. The counter point will be how Centers/Bigs don't impact winning as much anymore. But the top 3 of the NBA MVP voting this season were all bigs. Being 7 foot still means something..
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:43 pm to brmark70816
Nance is a keeper as a backup depending on terms. He can cover the 4 and 5 while not costing near as much as Jax will on a new contract.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:44 pm to brmark70816
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really don't know why Duren isn't considered more or isn't the top option.
Because dude has no offensive skill set can't even shot free throws
Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:22 am to brmark70816
quote:No, there really isnt.
We have 5 bigs on the roster. Zion isn't going anywhere. Val is 30 and has 2 years left on his deal. The other 3 bigs aren't keepers and are all on expiring deals. So, there is a need for a young big.
There's a reason why Duren's name hasnt been linked to the Pels at all.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 2:25 am to brmark70816
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Its strange people want to bet on the upside of someone like Sharpe, based on talent and youth. Duren is more talented and younger. The counter point will be how Centers/Bigs don't impact winning as much anymore. But the top 3 of the NBA MVP voting this season were all bigs. Being 7 foot still means something..
Think of how much scarier GSW would be had they drafted Lamelo over Wiseman in 2020. Steph/Klay/Draymond could legit transition to Lamelo/Poole/Kuminga. Bigs aren't worth max contracts or lottery picks in today's NBA unless that guy has a generational skillset that fits this era, think KG, less Shaq.
People are legit discussing AD for Kyrie, straight up, trade scenarios right now. AD the asset has plummeted and not all due to his play and health. Do it Big is done. People still clinging to using valuable assets for bigs remind me of the football oldheads who still were drafting "feature backs" when the league had clearly transitioned to RB by committee. It's all about value.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 2:44 am to tgr4ever
Yeah we don’t need another project big who can’t shoot. This is a wing/guard league now. Get those guys. So many teams either bench their bigs come playoff time and go small or these guys get exposed. Gobert gets exposed, Bam wasn’t good enough in the Boston series, Ayton was getting bullied by his team against the Mavs, Adams barely played. Looney does well because he has 4 elite shooters on the court with him. Robert Williams is just actually good on both ends and knows how to utilize his role perfectly.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 5:55 am to Macintosh
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Yeah we don’t need another project big who can’t shoot.
Are you comparing Duren to Hayes?
They are not the same player. Duren is already more physically mature and isn't afraid of contact.
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So many teams either bench their bigs come playoff time and go small or these guys get exposed
I don't find this to be true at all, not elite bigs. Those players you mentioned carried those teams to where they got to, then faltered at crucial moments like every player that didn't win the Championship. Did Bam or Gobert cost their teams Championships? Would either team be closer without them?
If you knew that Duren would give similar production/value than Gobert, Ayton or Bam (on a rookie contract), are you saying you still wouldn't want him?
Posted on 6/22/22 at 6:01 am to Long_Time_Lurker
Bigs still have value, it’s just their value is closer to an L curve in the modern game.
The top 2-5 bigs can elevate a team to extreme heights and dominate, but if you aren’t a two-way superstar big like Giannis, Jokic, or Embiid, the added value you bring falls pretty rapidly. Or, it creates team building limitations or playoff walls that are difficult to overcome.
The top 2-5 bigs can elevate a team to extreme heights and dominate, but if you aren’t a two-way superstar big like Giannis, Jokic, or Embiid, the added value you bring falls pretty rapidly. Or, it creates team building limitations or playoff walls that are difficult to overcome.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:20 am to Bronc
Woj said last night there will be a lot of discussion on 8 on trades.
Although he didn’t list as teams most likely to be active on moving up and down.
Although he didn’t list as teams most likely to be active on moving up and down.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:24 am to brmark70816
His inability to hit free throws is what will cause us problems in close/late game situations.
None of those elite bugs struggle like he did. If you think it's fixable than sure let's try... But you're getting a prime Steven Adams if you're not
None of those elite bugs struggle like he did. If you think it's fixable than sure let's try... But you're getting a prime Steven Adams if you're not
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:32 am to Fun Bunch
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Woj said last night there will be a lot of discussion on 8 on trades.
Although he didn’t list as teams most likely to be active on moving up and down.
Honestly, this is when I start saying to myself, if teams with known quality scouting teams are all fighting to take your pick, it might be a good indication you want to keep it....Though given it is Woj, it's probably coming from Griff so it has a 50/50 of being true or a smokescreen.
But either way seems like he's contemplating, which is fine, but if it's anyone below 10 you probably guarantee losing out on Daniels/Sochan/Sharpe/Griffin. And at 10 you probably get the one leftover.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:40 am to brmark70816
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I really don't know why Duren isn't considered more or isn't the top option.
b/c drafting athletic bigs with "potential" but zero offensive game in the top 10 is historically about the dumbest thing you could do.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:05 am to TeddyPadillac
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Adrian Wojnarowski: "If you're a GM in the NBA and Daryl Morey hasn't called and offered you #23 and Matisse Thybulle for someone on your roster, you probably have had your phone shut off."
Ok Darryl, we will give you Temple for Thybulle and 23
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:13 am to Bronc
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Though given it is Woj, it's probably coming from Griff so it has a 50/50 of being true or a smokescreen.
I’ve come around to believing we are almost assuredly trading 8. This is right out of the Griff playbook. Release as many whispers as possible about all of the interest there is in an asset as a way to maximize its value before it gets moved. People can give Griff flack, but no one can argue that, when he has a desirable asset, he hasn’t gotten the most juice out of every squeeze.
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Adrian Wojnarowski: "If you're a GM in the NBA and Daryl Morey hasn't called and offered you #23 and Matisse Thybulle for someone on your roster, you probably have had your phone shut off."
Vinson is one of the few advantages we have over the rest of the league. Buying low on a guy like Thybulle seems like a good avenue to explore.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 8:18 am
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:17 am to Baron
Also, when he makes a move it's almost never for what's being reported. Who reported that we were dealing for Val last year before it broke?
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:19 am to Bronc
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Honestly, this is when I start saying to myself, if teams with known quality scouting teams are all fighting to take your pick, it might be a good indication you want to keep it...
And that would be why more times than not, the team that moves up to make a pick almost always wins the trade.
and i agree, if there are teams with good scouts wanting to move up, then maybe you should keep the pick.
I really hope the draft shapes out like expected and we get the option to choose Dyson Daniels at #8, and we make the pick.
If you want a win now player to help the team, then make a trade using Jax and future assets to bring someone in. Don't waste this top 10 pick. Only way i'd be ok with trading down is if Daniels/Mathurin aren't there at #8 and we are looking at drafting Sharpe, which I don't want to do. I'd rather trade down at that point and take Branham.
Agbaji will probably be an ok nba player for a while, but i see more of a Taurean Prince/Tony Snell type player as opposed to an actual good 3&D player.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:27 am to Baron
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Vinson is one of the few advantages we have over the rest of the league. Buying low on a guy like Thybulle seems like a good avenue to explore.
He can't shoot. We aren't changing that. Even if you could a little, no one will ever respect his 3 point shot, and he has zero offensive game regardless.
We don't have a need for someone like Thybulle when we have Herb, who is light years better offensively.
On top of the fact that he can't shoot, he's played in 196 games and has only been to the free throw line 102 times, and i'd bet a good bit of those were teams fouling him at end of games b/c he sucks.
Herb shot 163 this year, and he's out there taking technicals for us.
Thybulle is only useful on a team like the 76ers or the Nets or the Warriors. He has no use on our team.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:55 am to TeddyPadillac
Sounds like its pretty much a lock that Kings will trade 4.
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[Sidery] The Kings will decide on the clock what offer they accept for Jaden Ivey at No. 4, per @wojespn.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:00 am to Fun Bunch
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He can decline his PO and still resign with Wash. they can still offer him the most. I wouldn’t assume anything.
He was always going to decline the option, it just makes the most financial sense.
Which is definitely something that needs to be looked at in the next CBA. A clause that prevents you from being traded for 3 years if you sign a max contract with your current team or something. Because the current situation just makes players sign with their own team because it makes the most sense monetarily, and then just ask for a trade a year later.
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