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Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:53 pm to DallasTiger45
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Playing Trae off the ball seems like an abject disaster.
Really?
I think it’s the only way that team will get to the next level.
Trae was a 48% catch and shoot player as that team’s far and away #1 option.
He commanded constant double teams and the best defenders you could throw at him.
Trae embracing a Curry-like role, where he plays more off ball, using his gravity to make life easier for his teammates and himself, would elevate him and his team to new heights imo.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:55 pm to Macintosh
Fair enough. Jrue also wasn’t a recent all star though ol
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:16 pm to Bronc
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Trae was a 48% catch and shoot player as that team’s far and away #1 option. He commanded constant double teams and the best defenders you could throw at him. Trae embracing a Curry-like role, where he plays more off ball, using his gravity to make life easier for his teammates and himself, would elevate him and his team to new heights imo.
I don’t disagree that it sounds good on paper. But Trae’s movement is below average when off the ball. Lots of standing and watching. It would be an astonishing leap for him to get anywhere close to Curry’s off ball movement
Posted on 6/23/22 at 1:16 am to Macintosh
Banchero has become the consensus betting favorite on all sports books to be picked #1. Pretty amazingly wild shift in just a few hours
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 1:17 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:08 am to Macintosh
Banchero has been getting bets the last two days or so.
I’m not sure if it will happen or if this is a case of some whales making a bet at certain odds then others trying to follow the action.
I’m not sure if it will happen or if this is a case of some whales making a bet at certain odds then others trying to follow the action.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 6:02 am to DallasTiger45
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I don’t disagree that it sounds good on paper. But Trae’s movement is below average when off the ball. Lots of standing and watching. It would be an astonishing leap for him to get anywhere close to Curry’s off ball movement
I think that’s a problem all over the team. There is not a ton of advanced off ball action and almost nothing when Trae is off ball(when it rarely happens)
Trae came about as close as to the line of being respectful but also saying things need to change in his post loss press conference after the Heat series saying “I know the the solution is about putting the right system in place to for me to be able to play and be effective off ball.”
And that’s true, cause Atlanta feels eerily similar in terms of approach and system to pre-Kerr Warriors. Where before Kerr, the team ran everything through Curry like he was a traditional point guard, and he was good, but it made the team and Curry a lot easier to defend in the playoffs.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 6:45 am to Bronc
The issue is if Trae wants to/can work without the ball. He seems like a guy who just has to have the ball and do Trae things. I think that's why his off ball movement is so bad, b/c he can't think of the game in terms of having someone else do things so he can get open b/c he can only see what Trae can do with the ball to get shots.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 6:47 am to Macintosh
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Banchero has become the consensus betting favorite on all sports books to be picked #1. Pretty amazingly wild shift in just a few hours
That’s crazy because Givony said on the Lowe post that he didn’t even workout for the Magic.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 6:48 am to SlowFlowPro
Give the ball to trae is proven to be an elite team offense. #2 in the nba last year. Why would you take one of the best on ball player in the league off the ball? Especially for someone like Murray who is not efficient at all.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 6:55 am to Boomshockalocka
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Give the ball to trae is proven to be an elite team offense. #2 in the nba last year. Why would you take one of the best on ball player in the league off the ball? Especially for someone like Murray who is not efficient at all.
Because they can't build a full team around Trae due to his defense. Murray may not be the perfect fit, but I can see the Hawks thinking of an Iverson/Snow-type backcourt.
The Hawks probably know if they let Trae turn into iso-Harden, they'll always have iso-Harden results (no Finals appearances)
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:19 am to Boomshockalocka
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Give the ball to trae is proven to be an elite team offense. #2 in the nba last year. Why would you take one of the best on ball player in the league off the ball? Especially for someone like Murray who is not efficient at all.
Did you watch the Heat series?
Even Trae recognized that dog isn't going to hunt in the playoffs against great teams.
It doesn't and shouldnt be full Curry, where he almost plays SG more than PG, but the team needs to be able to take advantage of mismatches and not be entirely reliant on Trae creating the entire offense. Way too easy to defend in a 7 game series if you have the personnel.
To me what Trae really needs is a Haliburton/Brogdon type on/off ball player that can defend, shoot, and run your offense some possessions. Murray isn't ideal due to lack of shooting, but I like that team better than the current one.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 7:30 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:42 am to Bronc
WOJ Bomb
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As team boards finalize today, the 1-2-3 of the NBA Draft is increasingly firm, per sources: Jabari Smith to Orlando, Chet Holmgren to Oklahoma City and Paolo Banchero to Houston.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:46 am to Soggymoss
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:47 am to Soggymoss
Also, Ivey at 4 but we don’t know to who. Then it’s anybodies guess what happens next
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:49 am to SlowFlowPro
They got wrecked by MIA bc they “built a wall” and no one else on atl was worth anything on offense. Trae was about zero % responsible for that.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:49 am to supe12sta12z
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They’re similar in a lot of ways but Dieng having a higher offensive ceiling
Can you explain why you think he has a higher offensive ceiling?
His shot looks worst and i think is what separates them the most. I can see both of them succeeding at the 3 point line, but i have more concerns with how Dieng gets there. I will say that Dieng may develop a mid range game sooner and better than Daniels will though, but I think Daniels is more interested in his elite floater and getting to the rim than taking mid range shots.
Neither are super athletic, although i may give Dieng the slight edge there, but Daniels uses his body better in traffic.
Daniels is the better passer.
To me, Daniels seems to project better b/c you can already see the skill sets he has and they look good, they just need more practice. His IQ and defensive ability is so far ahead of Dieng, and it's likely not something he's going to catch up to, so at worst if you draft Daniels, you're likely getting a great defender and rebounder with great vision on offense.
Dieng seems like he's more potential, and you're still waiting to see the skill sets come together. People are enamored with his anthropomorphic measurements and potential, and that just seems like a dumb way to draft if you're taking someone 8th overall. 16th, sure, take a flyer, but 8th, nah.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:51 am to Bronc
Easy to defend when the defense has no one else to worry about, yes. Not sure Murray and his 50% TS is the guy who will pique the defenses interest 
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:58 am to Mad Scientist26
There’s been some rumors of Murray going at 4 if Sacramento doesn’t like the trade offers
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:41 am to Soggymoss
well Sacramento has had zero communication with Jaden Ivey, so we're hearing they like Murray b/c of that.
I can't wait to see what idiot move Sacramento makes tonight.
I can't wait to see what idiot move Sacramento makes tonight.
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