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re: tOfficial NBA Draft Rumor Thread
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:02 pm to PELsu
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:02 pm to PELsu
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would be pretty upset with Dieng. He is so good at getting an open shot and not making it. He’s too skinny to defend and can’t put the ball in the goal. It’s a tough pill to swallow for a team trying to grab the cities attention next season.
Man you just looking for a reason to melt. This pick has nothing to do with grabbing the city attention lol adding Zion to a playoff team is grabbing the city attention. And the rest of the things you said is just straight garbage, I love how people just do a quick search of his stats and think they know how his career will turn out. I remember how everyone said Lamelo couldn't shoot playing in the same league and has light it up since day 1 in the NBA.
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Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:02 pm to LosLobos111
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I can live with pretty much any outcome as long as it's not dieng or a center.
And I don't even particularly care for Sharpe but could be talked into it.
Dieng has played against very good, tough competition in Australia, and played very well in the 2nd half of the season.
Sharpe hasn't played against anyone for over a year, and even in HS his competition was questionable.
But you could be talked into him and not Dieng.
That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But alrighty. We all have our thoughts.
I hope whomever they pick works out.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Yeah I'm not going to melt but I can't help but think this is inefficient allocation of resources. I mean the fact is that if we draft him at 8 over Sharpe, we're drafting for potential but picking a guy with possibly substantially less potential.
I guess it is possible that we worked him out and Vinson got to really see him up and close and gave the thumbs up. It really seems like his peak would be Brandon Ingram and I don't know how that fits with the actual Brandon Ingram in 2024.
If you believe McNamara (I know I know) he says some in the Pels FO view Dieng as being comparable to BI, and one person even said "he's Harden without the attitude."
I think both of those are laughable comparisons. The Harden one though, whew. Those are both way to optimistic, and just off.
I think Dieng will be a solid player in this league, but as I've said previously I don't think the ceiling is really all that high. May be completely wrong, but I just don't like banking on these "low floor, high ceiling" guys.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:05 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Comparisons are based on the fact that he is long and lean. The fact that he has to develop a shot is a pretty big if. If the Pelicans love him, hopefully there is a reason. I am not yet at a point with our international scouting that I give them full benefit of the doubt after the swings and misses on Melli and Louzada, but I will cross my fingers and hope they are right on Dieng if they take him.
I've seen some compare his game to BI, if he can get his shot to start falling.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:05 pm to CP3forMVP
Multiple people in scouting have compared Dieng's ceiling to BI. That isn't an isolated thing.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:06 pm to Fun Bunch
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People are doing what they always do, getting very stuck on positions on players they really haven't watched much, if at all.
That player for me is Sharpe, who I see a lot of alarm bells going off on, but I just haven't watched him play, so I'm trying to be tempered in my approach with him.
Sharpe doesn't have that established baseline against good competition, but neither does Dieng. Dieng sucked in the NBL, though.
We don't have to see Sharpe to know what he can project to. His handle/athleticism give us his potential. Now he seems to be arrogant and all of that, which I get, but I soured on Sharpe v. a guy like Daniels. Sharpe vs. Dieng is another universe of discussion (especially considering the trade down options).
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:06 pm to Fun Bunch
Recent high level NBA player's Australia NBL Stats:
FG% .37
3P% .25
FT% .72
Hint: Won Rookie of the year
FG% .37
3P% .25
FT% .72
Hint: Won Rookie of the year
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:06 pm to NOSHAU
Luckily, a competent shot is one of the easiest things to develop.
Doesn't mean he will, but its certainly better than a guy having low bball iq, no feel for the game, can't put the ball on the floor at all, etc.
Doesn't mean he will, but its certainly better than a guy having low bball iq, no feel for the game, can't put the ball on the floor at all, etc.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:07 pm to NOSHAU
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Comparisons are based on the fact that he is tall and lean
And the fact that he handles the ball pretty damn well for a guy his size, plus he flashes potential of creating his own shot, and the playmaking ability. It’s more than just tall and skinny.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:07 pm to CP3forMVP
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I don't think the ceiling is really all that high.
His ceiling is literally BI
Similar bodies/athleticism and skills around the same age. BI didn't come into the NBA with his shooting. He didn't even hit 70% of his FT until Nola. I don't think a lot of Pelifans realize that.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Dieng sucked in the NBL, though.
Did he though?
Before his wrist injury he sucked. After he came back from injury he looked like a completely different player by all accounts and was pretty darn good.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:10 pm to NOSHAU
It’s a lot more than that. Dieng has upside with his ball handling skills and ability to get to his spots and create separation while getting his shot off. Like BI, Dieng movements are smooth for his size from his first dribble through his pull up and release. He has a big offensive bag. If the Pelicans draft him, they need to be sure it’ll translate.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:11 pm to Fun Bunch
His last 12 games he averaged 13.3 pts a game (which is good in the NBL) on decent shooting.
He's not a finished product by any means. He will need to develop.
Haven't we literally been discussing for weeks that the Pels have the ability to take a swing on upside and hope a player develops?
He's not a finished product by any means. He will need to develop.
Haven't we literally been discussing for weeks that the Pels have the ability to take a swing on upside and hope a player develops?
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:11 pm to LosLobos111
Man if we are split on Sharpe and Dieng, that’s crazy.
I love intangibles more than most. But when one guy has Zach Lavine type upside and the other’s upside is 80% Batum, I take the next Zach Lavine and hope our high character culture rubs off on him.
Just frickin pick Sharpe and trade him later if need be. Nobody is going to want to trade for Dieng tonight and especially not in a year or two.
I love intangibles more than most. But when one guy has Zach Lavine type upside and the other’s upside is 80% Batum, I take the next Zach Lavine and hope our high character culture rubs off on him.
Just frickin pick Sharpe and trade him later if need be. Nobody is going to want to trade for Dieng tonight and especially not in a year or two.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:12 pm to 3PieceSpicy
I hear people say that, but I've heard multiple people say he doesn't play at all with that level of athleticism.
He plays really slow at times, and takes insane shots that are dumb as frick...that happen to go in.
He plays really slow at times, and takes insane shots that are dumb as frick...that happen to go in.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:14 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Consistently? lol
and takes insane shots that are dumb as frick...that happen to go in.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:14 pm to Fun Bunch
Sharpe can JUMP out of a gym, but he’s not this quick twitchy player like Lavine.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:17 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Simply a competent shot does not make him a BI comparison though.
Luckily, a competent shot is one of the easiest things to develop.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:17 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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I love intangibles more than most. But when one guy has Zach Lavine type upside and the other’s upside is 80% Batum,
Here's what you're missing. People that like Dieng are putting his upside at Brandon Ingram, not Batum. I'm not saying they're right and you're wrong, but you don't get it because you aren't having the same conversation.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:19 pm to Macintosh
Ive watched plenty of Dieng and i just dont see it. For every 1 flash of potential theres 5 bad plays. Theres taking a swing (which im all for) and then theres just reaching. If daniels is gone, sharpe should be the pick. Best case scenario for Dieng is Batum 2.0 which is not worth the 8th pick
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 2:20 pm
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