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re: tOfficial NBA Draft Rumor Thread
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:23 pm to cgrand
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:23 pm to cgrand
quote:
you'll be way down in the teens after that trade, too far to make the roster spot worth it
What trade?
I didn't say we had to use #8 to move either of them.
You could probably send Jax to OKC or Orlando and get back some future 2nds, which i'd rather that than trade Temple just to move down to #9.
Could even go from 8 to 12 with OKC giving them Jax, and they give you a future 1st (Denver lottery protected 23 1st)
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:35 pm to TeddyPadillac
Hayes and Kira both have value. Temple has 0 value so why would you rather keep him over trading a player of value when we don’t have to? I don’t get it we can move Temple for nothing and gain a lot. We could move Kira and Hayes but that would be more complicated and would just create another hole. I get it from a cap space perspective but Temple is 40y/o and gone next year. Why keep him and get rid of Hayes for a 15th roster spot?
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:05 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:
I like Shamit's trade proposal today of Graham + 8 to the Wizards for KCP + 10
Fair deal, but I’d only do that trade if Mathurn, Daniels, and Sochan are all on the board at 8. You are at least guaranteed one of the three.
Yeah it feels like a trade you can wait to make on draft night but I would love KCP.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:42 pm to Dantheman504
quote:
Hayes and Kira both have value.
Hayes does have value. Probably 2 nice 2nds at best, or a really late 1st, maybe, like Denver at #30 or Houston at #26, but i doubt either would give up a late 1st for him.
Kira has no value right now other than salary filler, and I'd attribute that to his injury, but even without the injury Jose was always going to play more than him and that would have drove his value down to nothing as well.
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Temple has 0 value
I explained what his value is, just like with Billy, and as the 15th guy on the roster, that's a lot more valuable than anything a young guy with limited potential brings to the team.
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why would you rather keep him over trading a player of value when we don’t have to?
B/c i don't value Hayes or Kira, or DG for that matter, and i don't see any of them really getting much playing time this year when we are healthy, especially if who we draft is a good player.
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We could move Kira and Hayes but that would be more complicated and would just create another hole.
There's nothing complicated about trading a $5M or so rookie contract that holds little value. and i dont' know what hole you are talking about. Are you expecting them to provide critical minutes to this team when healthy? If so, explain to me where those minutes come from?
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Why keep him and get rid of Hayes for a 15th roster spot?
i mean i've answered this question several times. it's the 15th spot. Who gives a shite who's in that spot as far as playing time goes. They aren't going to play, so you might as well have a guy that brings stuff off the court like Temple does.
Why wouldn't you want to upgrade Hayes and instead of Hayes being the 10th/11th guy on the team, you upgrade him to a 8/9 guy or better? I'm done with his development and potential. I'd rather give those minutes to someone else, like Trey, or an MLE guy, or the draft pick. I'd rather an asset and the open roster spot than Jax be the 10th guy on the team.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:55 pm to TeddyPadillac
Billy is actually playable. Temple is not. The “value” you talk about for him is non existent. We have veterans on our team for leadership, if they want him by the team because of character then give him a coaching job. We are talking about basketball players that can help our team on the court. Garrett Temple is a great guy but he brings no more value from a playing standpoint or even a leadership standpoint considering what we have already built. Use the roster spot on a rookie with potential.
The value is actually having positive assets that could be used in the future. Is this really an argument?
The fact that you are arguing Temple is more important/ valuable than Kira/ Hayes or that it’s even comparable is crazy.
The value is actually having positive assets that could be used in the future. Is this really an argument?
The fact that you are arguing Temple is more important/ valuable than Kira/ Hayes or that it’s even comparable is crazy.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 5:00 pm to TeddyPadillac
Your argument is that you would rather keep a lesser asset because you know he won’t get the playing time. It might be the dumbest hot take on here in a while.
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 6/20/22 at 6:33 pm to Dantheman504
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The fact that you are arguing Temple is more important/ valuable than Kira/ Hayes or that it’s even comparable is crazy.
I am not saying that Temple is more valuable than either of them. They are both obviously better basketball players than Temple right now.
I'm saying Temple doesn't play, and as the 15th guy, he provides more value than you're average 15th guy.
I"m saying as the 10th best player, we could do better than Jax, and he could at least net us some kind of asset. With Kira as the 11th or 12th best player, you could upgrade him as well. Neither of them will affect our win% this year and i don't see either of them being on this team with a 2nd contract. They are both upgradeable to the point where we could actually affect our win% a little bit.
You're not going to upgrade the 15th best player on your team and it affect you.
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The value is actually having positive assets that could be used in the future. Is this really an argument?
lets go back to what the deal was. Temple/8 for 9/cash.
cash isn't an asset i give a shite about for the Pelicans.
Open roster spot for what? we aren't using the MLE, and if we really found a two-way guy that impressed enough to make the team, we'd make a move during the season to get rid of someone to open up a roster spot.
what do you think happens if we create roster spot by sending Temple out and we draft someone else outside of the 9 spot, and they are good enough to get minutes? That means Jax or Kira are getting even less playing time, not GT who won't play regardless. We've given Jax a fair share for 3 years. Time to move on.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:24 pm to TeddyPadillac
they can get off Kira Lewis pretty easily by just not picking up the team option for 23/24 (October 31 deadline). You don’t have to trade him.
Hayes is more valuable than your two 2nds trade. They can get something for him in Feb or just use him to salary match. Temple is the guy to trade at the draft if they need to.
Hayes is more valuable than your two 2nds trade. They can get something for him in Feb or just use him to salary match. Temple is the guy to trade at the draft if they need to.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:27 pm to cgrand
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Sacramento Kings general manager Monte McNair has engaged in conversations around Atlanta Hawks forward John Collins, according to The Athletic's Shams Charania. Interestingly, "there has been no involvement of the No. 4 pick in the discussions centered on Collins," writes Charania.
SAC would have to salary match regardless. Must be Barnes?
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:30 pm to cgrand
I don’t want to trade Kira. Well I do, but no one is giving up anything for him right now.
Is he? So you think Houston would give us #26 for Jax? I think they might, but only b/c they have other picks. A playoff team isn’t trading a late 1st for him.
I think his value goes down significantly after this off-season. No one is going to give up anything for a half year rental of him.
I disagree. It’s ok. I get your point completely.
And I wouldnt be the slightest bit upset if he was traded.
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Hayes is more valuable than your two 2nds trade.
Is he? So you think Houston would give us #26 for Jax? I think they might, but only b/c they have other picks. A playoff team isn’t trading a late 1st for him.
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They can get something for him in Feb or just use him to salary match. T
I think his value goes down significantly after this off-season. No one is going to give up anything for a half year rental of him.
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Temple is the guy to trade at the draft if they need to.
I disagree. It’s ok. I get your point completely.
And I wouldnt be the slightest bit upset if he was traded.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:24 am to TeddyPadillac
SIAP
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The Pelicans have less of a need at any particular position than other lottery teams, making this a natural target for teams looking to move up in trade conversations and creating quite a bit of chatter in NBA circles around this pick. The Phoenix Suns are said to be one of the teams potentially looking at trade scenarios here, possibly including a player like Cameron Johnson in order to free up salary cap flexibility to keep Deandre Ayton. New Orleans has four surefire starters and a plethora of young talent at every position that gives it tremendous depth and role players to plug virtually any hole.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:33 am to Mystictiger
How the frick does Phoenix expect to get the 8th pick?
Cam isn’t worth that and they have no 2022 picks. They going to send a 2023 and 2025 unprotected with him?
Cam isn’t worth that and they have no 2022 picks. They going to send a 2023 and 2025 unprotected with him?
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:35 am to teke184
Despite my positive thread yesterday, a trade of 8 for Cam Johnson would probably make me a little upset. 
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:00 am to Fun Bunch
Cam Johnson is also due for his rookie extension and because of his skillset...he looks like he might get paid pretty large.
I just don't see it at all.
I just don't see it at all.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:03 am to Fun Bunch
Cam Johnson is not worth No. 8 especially since you have to pay him.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:10 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Yea, I initially thought that would be great thinking that Cam Johnson was 2 years in. Then I realized he's already played 3 years.
Cam Johnson is also due for his rookie extension and because of his skillset...he looks like he might get paid pretty large.
I just don't see it at all.
I do think he's worth a #8 overall, that's his value if you will, but I just don't know that we can afford his extension so I can't see how we'd make that trade work as more than a 1 year thing with Johnson.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:14 am to shel311
Johnson has a great skillset for us. Perfect really.
But it just makes no sense. We are approaching lux tax real soon. We don't need another high paid guy.
We need to develop cheaper talent and keep recycling it.
Suns also don't have a 2022 pick.
So would:
Cam Johnson, 2023 and 2025 unprotected picks
for
8, Devonte or Temple
Be enough?
But it just makes no sense. We are approaching lux tax real soon. We don't need another high paid guy.
We need to develop cheaper talent and keep recycling it.
Suns also don't have a 2022 pick.
So would:
Cam Johnson, 2023 and 2025 unprotected picks
for
8, Devonte or Temple
Be enough?
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:19 am to shel311
I don't think Cam Johnson for #8 is all that bad of a deal in a vacuum. The issue is I don't see where he fits, are you moving Herb to the bench to start Cam Johnson? We arguably have our own younger Cam Johnson in Trey Murphy. Then money wise it's an issue as well.
Honestly this is my issue in general with the whole idea of moving down for "win now" compensation. Where does it fit? Unless you're moving someone with it, it's hard to imagine.
Honestly this is my issue in general with the whole idea of moving down for "win now" compensation. Where does it fit? Unless you're moving someone with it, it's hard to imagine.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:21 am to Fun Bunch
Honestly, no.
Getting rid of Graham and Temple for Cam is great from a perspective of getting production but losing the 8th overall pick and getting back 23 and 25 from them is a hell of a hit.
They had the top record in the league last season and this deal is centered on keeping their big three together, meaning their 23 pick is likely in the 25-30 range.
It means the value of the 25 pick is determined by the likelihood that Sarver gets cheap and blows it up within 3 seasons. And he is less in a position to do so if they won’t have their own pick.
Getting rid of Graham and Temple for Cam is great from a perspective of getting production but losing the 8th overall pick and getting back 23 and 25 from them is a hell of a hit.
They had the top record in the league last season and this deal is centered on keeping their big three together, meaning their 23 pick is likely in the 25-30 range.
It means the value of the 25 pick is determined by the likelihood that Sarver gets cheap and blows it up within 3 seasons. And he is less in a position to do so if they won’t have their own pick.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:24 am to teke184
What if the deal includes:
24
25 pick swap
26
?
You have at least two picks in every draft from 24-27, as well as multiple pick swap options.
24
25 pick swap
26
?
You have at least two picks in every draft from 24-27, as well as multiple pick swap options.
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