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re: Trade Possibilities?
Posted on 12/3/23 at 3:53 pm to MartinVanNostrand
Posted on 12/3/23 at 3:53 pm to MartinVanNostrand
How about Ingram for Hayward and mark Williams? Get off Ingrams contract for an expiring Hayward who you could resign for allt cheaper and get your center of the future. Maybe a pick or two from chaotte and Bi goes home
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Posted on 12/3/23 at 3:57 pm to floyd13
I know this could never happen but I would love to do BI and whatever picks needed for Markkanen. He would work so well with Zion.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 3:58 pm to ghost2most
They have Brandon Miller whose playstyle is what we wish Ingram would evolve into. Why would they want Ingram? At some point these trade ideas need to have have some logic in it.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 3:59 pm to ned nederlander
Ignore the Failure part as its only because we cant do this trade until after Dec 15th.
This would be a trade deadline type deal.
Wiseman is an expiring
Bojan is another bonafide 3pt Specialist for this year and next year (then very valuable expiring).
Jalen Duren is a great rebounding big who can help Zion down low when we go small.
Jaden Ivey is the PG we need.
Future: With the expirings you now have money to extend Trey / JV / CJ (you can probably add 2 years to his deal if he keeps playing this well)
The Pistons get their wing player of the future to go with Cade and Killian plus a pick to take our expiring and Larry Nance.
Oh the Pelicans can also sign Matt Ryan to an actual cheap deal now here to and avoid the Tax.
This would be a trade deadline type deal.
Wiseman is an expiring
Bojan is another bonafide 3pt Specialist for this year and next year (then very valuable expiring).
Jalen Duren is a great rebounding big who can help Zion down low when we go small.
Jaden Ivey is the PG we need.
Future: With the expirings you now have money to extend Trey / JV / CJ (you can probably add 2 years to his deal if he keeps playing this well)
The Pistons get their wing player of the future to go with Cade and Killian plus a pick to take our expiring and Larry Nance.
Oh the Pelicans can also sign Matt Ryan to an actual cheap deal now here to and avoid the Tax.
This post was edited on 12/3/23 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 12/3/23 at 4:02 pm to 50_Tiger
I don't think Ingram could pull Duren AND Ivey.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 4:03 pm to ghost2most
quote:
I don't think Ingram could pull Duren AND Ivey.
Make them tell you no.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 5:07 pm to saintslsupels
quote:The difference is usage and efficiency.
Is Trey a #2 option on a title contending team?
What I don’t understand about the logic for trading BI is he’s thought as not being a #2 option on a title team, but y’all are ok with getting solid players and picks for him?
Trey Murphy averaged 15ppg in year 2 last season. There's no reason to think he can't be an 18-20ppg dude at his max, right?
We don't need him to replicate 24ppg of average to below average efficiency scoring like BI. Making him a #2 that can give you a MUCH better efficiency at 20ppg is better than what BI gives you.
I'm not saying it's a 1:1 comparison but much like Klay can be a #2 but not be an on the ball dude, Trey could do the same, with CJ being the 2nd facilitator but Trey being the 2nd best player.
Mainly my reply to you would be why can't Trey be a #2 and better than BI?
Posted on 12/3/23 at 5:08 pm to AboveTheRim
quote:It adds zero additional risk though. If Zion gets hurt, we already know BI can't keep it going at even a .500 rate, so we're dead in the water without Zion whether BI is here or not.
Zion is in year 5 . He’s never finished a season. A lot of risk in trading your second best player bc it’s not a perfect fit as of yet .
Posted on 12/3/23 at 5:09 pm to NOLAtigerpelican
quote:Everything it would add offensively, it would give up that much defensively and rebounding.
I know this could never happen but I would love to do BI and whatever picks needed for Markkanen. He would work so well with Zion.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 5:10 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:Scoot's value should be a bit lower today than this offseason, amirite?
Make them tell you no.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 5:10 pm to shel311
Yes yes and yes. Hell must have frozen over because I absolutely agree with you on all this. I don’t think BI is a bad player but overall this team will be better if BI leaves. Trey will flourish, more opportunities for Hawkins, better chemistry and not to mention the assets we recoup by trading BI.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 5:45 pm to 50_Tiger
Why would detroit make that trade? They are 2-18 and one of the worst teams in the league. If they make that trade they would still be awful but with less roster/cap flexibility when they sign Ingram to a long deal.
Ingram is a really good player, but really good players on max contracts only make sense for teams with a truly elite player looking for a number 2 guy to win a ring. In theory we could be that team but the Zion/Ingram pairing has yet to really launch.
Ingram is a really good player, but really good players on max contracts only make sense for teams with a truly elite player looking for a number 2 guy to win a ring. In theory we could be that team but the Zion/Ingram pairing has yet to really launch.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 5:54 pm to ned nederlander
Detroit makes a big trade like that because they just gave a coach 10 million a year and they also have control over all of their draft picks. They are desperate to start winning and winning fast.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 6:17 pm to shel311
I still believe in Scoot
This post was edited on 12/3/23 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 12/3/23 at 6:21 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:
I still believe in Scoot
Why? He looks like shite
Posted on 12/3/23 at 6:23 pm to 50_Tiger
What skill do you actually think is elite enough for him to stay in the NBA? I just don’t see it and ive seen some blazer games on league pass.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 6:36 pm to shel311
He has kept it going the last 2 seasons . He’s put the team on his back in both instances , one of which was the playoff series in which he was terrific .
If you are making the argument the BI won’t be worth his next contract and having some flexibility may help Pels improve in the future , I can see it .
But anti BI sentiment has swung too far and the idea of getting off of BI will help the team this year I do not understand .
If you are making the argument the BI won’t be worth his next contract and having some flexibility may help Pels improve in the future , I can see it .
But anti BI sentiment has swung too far and the idea of getting off of BI will help the team this year I do not understand .
Posted on 12/3/23 at 6:43 pm to AboveTheRim
quote:
If you are making the argument the BI won’t be worth his next contract and having some flexibility may help Pels improve in the future , I can see it .
I believe in this and if that’s the case- best time to trade him might be at trade deadline. But I think Griffin will give him a full year with Zion before making a decision.
Posted on 12/3/23 at 6:45 pm to saintslsupels
quote:
Is Trey a #2 option on a title contending team?
No, not right now. Could he be? Yea I think so
But right now I’m not even sure if he could be a #3 option on a title contending team
Posted on 12/3/23 at 7:12 pm to AboveTheRim
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He has kept it going the last 2 seasons . He’s put the team on his back in both instances , one of which was the playoff series in which he was terrific .
I don't know the exact records, but I would bet we are below .500 or right around .500 with BI and no Zion since 2020. I would bet that our best record is with Zion and no BI. Our single best stretch of basketball since the AD trade was when BI was out last season pre Zion injury.
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