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re: Trae young may be available
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:45 pm to Louisianabound88
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:45 pm to Louisianabound88
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This team needs a TRUE point guard that can score and assist. Zion is never available so take that into account, trae works well with BI and Zion
No it doesn’t.
“Score and assist”-lol. You’re talking about stats?
The team needs rim protection and shooting. Actual skills.
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Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:00 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
Yea. Outside of the 2-3 McCollum haters, No one was complaining about a true PG when Zion was running the show. Jose provided all the PG elements off the bench and Dyson showed some flashes as well. Between Kira(assuming he's still here next year), Jose, and Dyson we should have a solid group.
Rim protection and shooting are non negotiable this offseason.
Rim protection and shooting are non negotiable this offseason.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 9:40 pm to supe12sta12z
Thought of this thread watching Trae Young tonight.
Even with his epic performance tonight, if you watched I think he took every single shot for the last 3 or 4 minutes of the game.
Trying to figure out how the iso with no passed where Zion and BI stand around and watch Trae Young take every shot down the stretch would work.... Because I think I doubt there's much of a chance Trae is changing his game for anyone or any time soon.
Even with his epic performance tonight, if you watched I think he took every single shot for the last 3 or 4 minutes of the game.
Trying to figure out how the iso with no passed where Zion and BI stand around and watch Trae Young take every shot down the stretch would work.... Because I think I doubt there's much of a chance Trae is changing his game for anyone or any time soon.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 8:57 am to shel311
your wrong made some pretty passes towards the end then took over
Posted on 4/26/23 at 9:33 am to tigersmanager
quote:Nah, he took every single shot after the Collins shot at the 3:49 mark.
your wrong made some pretty passes towards the end then took over
6 shots and 4 free throws, no one else took a single shot.
Again, it's not an indictment on his specific play last night, they won that game because of him doing that and making those shots last night. I'm just thinking of it from a process vs results perspective.
But that's the Trae Young experience, he will do that or some version of that every close game, so how does BI and Zion fit into a scheme where Trae Young has the ball in his hands an entire possession and then does that for every single possession down the stretch? I dont' see a world where there's a compromise. That was the whole reason they got Murray, and Trae did not see any improvement playing off ball and I know Murray didn't play last night but what you saw last night is the same as what you saw for the season, obviously pronounced to an extreme, but again, that's what you get with Trae Young.
It just doesn't remotely fit with a team who has 2 dudes who need the ball in their hands to get a guy wo absolutely 100% has to have the ball in his hands at all time or he's a completely non-factor.
This post was edited on 4/26/23 at 9:36 am
Posted on 4/26/23 at 10:26 am to shel311
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Even with his epic performance tonight, if you watched I think he took every single shot for the last 3 or 4 minutes of the game.
Congrats on their win but the end of the game last night pretty much defined why I don't like that dude and wouldn't want him on this team.
Aside from taking every single shot with no ball movement for the last couple of minutes, on the very last possession he thinks the best thing to do, down ONE, is to walk the ball up half court and just heave it from 36 feet. It worked, but it's dumb basketball IQ and that loses you the game 9 times out of 10.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 10:34 am to iwyLSUiwy
quote:It's 100% a process vs results thing.
Congrats on their win but the end of the game last night pretty much defined why I don't like that dude and wouldn't want him on this team.
Aside from taking every single shot with no ball movement for the last couple of minutes, on the very last possession he thinks the best thing to do, down ONE, is to walk the ball up half court and just heave it from 36 feet. It worked, but it's dumb basketball IQ and that loses you the game 9 times out of 10.
Don't get me wrong, it was exciting as shite to watch, fun as hell, all of that.
But that style is gonna work 1 out of every, what, 5-10 times. Like you said, those were awful shots, especially the last one. I'm guessing every Bucks fan/player/coach was happy with that shot taken and probably most Hawks fans/players/coaches other than Trae Young in that very moment the shot went up were probably wishing they had gotten a better shot. But even a low efficiency shot can go in from time to time.
Bringing it back to this thread topic, how does that remotely work with BI and Zion?
This post was edited on 4/26/23 at 10:36 am
Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:38 pm to shel311
Not disagreeing but man, sometimes you just need basketball ballers.
Trae Young is that guy. And maybe he takes those types of shots bc he knows he doesn’t really have anyone to play off of with..who should he have passed it to for the last shot? Yea maybe a screen/roll and have someone in the corner? But he’s your star.
That changes if you can have BI or Zion to dish to who can create quickly if the D collapses.
Just my two cents.
Trae Young is that guy. And maybe he takes those types of shots bc he knows he doesn’t really have anyone to play off of with..who should he have passed it to for the last shot? Yea maybe a screen/roll and have someone in the corner? But he’s your star.
That changes if you can have BI or Zion to dish to who can create quickly if the D collapses.
Just my two cents.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:20 pm to SHMILL
quote:I hear you, there are a lot of good things about him, and he's definitely outplayed what I think most folks thought his peak level was at draft time, and he kinda never had a chance since he'll always be compared to Luka because of the trade. And he seems to live for these big moments, the complete opposite of shying away from them. No disagreements there.
Not disagreeing but man, sometimes you just need basketball ballers.
But even with that, I don't think that changes the issues with him that I laid out.
quote:I was thinking about that, but I think he has a decent team around him. I do think there are some dudes on that team, mainly Bogdanovic that can get you a shot. And don't get me wrong, when you've scored 4 times in a row, I'm not saying you shouldn't shoot it a 5th time. My issue is the shots he was taking, not just last night, but over a large enough sample size, that just won't work and will lead to more failures in those clutch spots than successes IMO.
And maybe he takes those types of shots bc he knows he doesn’t really have anyone to play off of with..who should he have passed it to for the last shot? Yea maybe a screen/roll and have someone in the corner? But he’s your star.
quote:My concern is I simply do not think Trae can change or will change to that level. If he could change and become a 3rd option, defense aside, I'd love to add him to this squad. But I think he will always be a dude that has to have the ball in his hands at all times and when he doesn't, he's a complete non factor, which just doesn't work for our needs.
That changes if you can have BI or Zion to dish to who can create quickly if the D collapses.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 2:08 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:
Aside from taking every single shot
Imagine criticizing a star for taking over the game in clutch time, dominating it, and winning it at the best team in the league house
Who do y’all want him to give the ball to in those moments? Collins, Capella, hunter
Is there a BI or Zion on that team for him to give the ball to? Not even close
Posted on 4/26/23 at 2:11 pm to shel311
quote:
My concern is I simply do not think Trae can change or will change to that level. If he could change and become a 3rd option
So he has an alpha mentality. Makes me want him on the pels even more
Posted on 4/26/23 at 2:21 pm to shel311
quote:
Again, it's not an indictment on his specific play last night, they won that game because of him doing that and making those shots last night. I'm just thinking of it from a process vs results perspective.
They were also in that predicament because his earlier play.
After that john collins shot:
3/6 FG
3/5 3pt
5/5 FT
crucial foul before that miracle 30fter.
He was legitimately:
11/27 FG (40.7%)
2/8 3pt (25.0%)
0/0 FT
before that 3minute spurt.
That's the issue with him, every now and then you get that kind of spurt, but more often than not you get duds because he plays like curry with the efficiency of westbrook.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 2:24 pm to shel311
That last shot was a prayer. Kudos it went in. But that's not a good shot..
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