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re: We need shooting
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:35 am to Bronc
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:35 am to Bronc
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Seems like we have swung from one extreme to another. Where SVG maybe spammed it a bit too much and it hurt team cohesion and risked predictability, but Willie seems to be outright allergic to it. Instead favoring to use him almost like a traditional big in the post most possessions, which I dont think is Zion's strength.
Yeah, Point Zion lets him operate in space without cutting off half of the floor as passing options, which is what happens when he posts up. He's not a 7 footer than can see over everyone with his back to the basket to pass it to Trey in the opposite corner.
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Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:37 am to Balsamic_duck
quote:Hield is a better upgrade than some of the other options we've discussed the past 24 hours, but I still don't like it.
Its not like graham, temple and jax are helping our defense.
I see it as big upgrade in shooting without taking a step back defensively. Graham is a bad defender who cant shoot, buddy is a bad defender who can shoot.
We think Graham is bad defensively, but I'd argue that Hield is much, much worse than Graham. I honestly see a gulf between the 2 defensively not that much different than the gulf in shooting between the 2.
Again, I don't think Graham is good defensively, but 2 things. He's not nearly as bad as many make it out to be. And 2nd, Hield is on the very shortlist as one of the worst defenders in the NBA.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:38 am to yaboidarrell
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will only make our defensive woes worse.
I suggested we trade graham, temple and jax for him. Who out of those is a good defender that would hurt our defense to lose? Buddy is a bad defender, so is graham. The difference is buddy is a top 5 shooter in the league while graham cant hit the ocean
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:40 am to shel311
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e think Graham is bad defensively, but I'd argue that Hield is much, much worse than Graham. I honestly see a gulf between the 2 defensively not that much different than the gulf in shooting between the 2.
Again, I don't think Graham is good defensively, but 2 things. He's not nearly as bad as many make it out to be. And 2nd, Hield is on the very shortlist as one of the worst defenders in the NBA.
I guess i disagree. I dont think there's much of a difference defensively. They're both pretty bad.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:45 am to Balsamic_duck
Its the same issue we have been having for what feels like a decade:
Cannot defend the 3
Cannot make 3s
Cannot defend the 3
Cannot make 3s
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:52 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
Its the same issue we have been having for what feels like a decade:
Cannot defend the 3
Cannot make 3s
We're top 10 in opponent 3p% so it looks like we've been better there and we're #12 in 3p% but we are dead last in attempts by a pretty good margin.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:59 am to Bronc
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Another thing I hope he realizes sooner than later is Point-Zion.
Hes been giving zion the ball at the top of the key, but it's off screens to create his bullrush. I wish we let him bring it down the court a few more times a game but at this point he needs to knock the rust off more before earning that.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:03 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Just last night, for the 3 games total we're doing well in both.
Its the same issue we have been having for what feels like a decade:
Cannot defend the 3
Not entirely related but while I was looking that up, I noticed we're 4th in ORtg and 12th in DRtg and 4th in Net Rtg.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:07 am to whatiknowsofar
We've GOT to figure out how to get Zion the ball in different spots. What they are doing now is pretty uncreative and just not working that well.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:17 am to Balsamic_duck
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We are currently last in the league in 3p attempts at 25/game.
You realize why that is, right?
Our efficiency isn’t bad for the volume taken. It’s not like we are the Bulls or the Lakers
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 11:19 am
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:20 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Definitely agree here. Come around that little screen from the wing where he gets the ball at the top of the key, then every one stands completely still and Zion goes to work.
We've GOT to figure out how to get Zion the ball in different spots. What they are doing now is pretty uncreative and just not working that well.
Not sure if I'm missing it but I've yet to see the Zion/CJ inverted P&R like we absolutely killed with with Redick.
Also seems we're only having the big give Zion that screen before getting him the ball. I don't see any urgency to get Zion switched onto a guard basically ever.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:28 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
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You realize why that is, right?
Our efficiency isn’t bad for the volume taken. It’s not like we are the Bulls or the Lakers
Right, but the volume needs to go up. We need to be around 15th in attempts. When you trade 2s for 3s your margin of error is a lot smaller.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:31 am to Balsamic_duck
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Right, but the volume needs to go up. We need to be around 15th in attempts. When you trade 2s for 3s your margin of error is a lot smaller.
Which of our Big 4 do you want switching 2s for 3s?
BI is a master in the mid range and Zion is historically great in the paint.
Get them to their spots.
Jonas? Sure
CJ’s shot selection is fine.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:35 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:
Which of our Big 4 do you want switching 2s for 3s?
BI is a master in the mid range and Zion is historically great in the paint.
Get them to their spots.
Jonas? Sure
CJ’s shot selection is fine.
BI. he's been awesome but he's one of our best shooters and only taking 2 3s a game. That should be up around 5-6
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:42 am to Bronc
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We simply dont prioritize the three as much as most other teams in the league
Small sample size for sure but we're 30th (last) in 3PT attempts and 12th in 3PT%. Fairly simple to understand why when you have Zion taking 20 shots and 0 3s and throw in Val's 14 or so and maybe 2 3PT attempts. That's about 1/3 of our total offensive shots with maybe 2 of them being a 3PT shot. Bottom line...Zion needs to pass the ball back out to open 3PT shooters more often...BI needs to shoot more 3s especially when Zion is on the court with him.
We are a very solid 3-pt shooting team with what we have...we just don't shoot ENOUGH of them. WE NEED MORE DEFENSE...I'm ready to see what Daniels can add, in that department.
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 11:45 am
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:44 am to Dinky Mulberry
quote:
We are a very solid 3-pt shooting team with what we have...we just don't shoot ENOUGH of them.
Yep, we need to shoot more of them.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:48 am to Bronc
Trey needs to take 10 a game
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:59 am to Dinky Mulberry
If the league would officiate fairly we wouldn’t even be talking about this.
They officiate the Pelicans defenders loosely which allows them to better defend the paint without sending the Pelicans to the bonus and fouling out. If the other team has to completely clog the paint due to Zion and Val that leaves even more widely open looks for our other shooters who are not bad.
The Pels need to challenge the league to stop trying to neutralize their offense when it is obvious.
I actually felt like the league did the same to the Miami Heat when they had Lebron to make the eastern conference playoffs more challenging for the Heat. They allowed people to maul the Heat to neutralize their large advantage there.
They officiate the Pelicans defenders loosely which allows them to better defend the paint without sending the Pelicans to the bonus and fouling out. If the other team has to completely clog the paint due to Zion and Val that leaves even more widely open looks for our other shooters who are not bad.
The Pels need to challenge the league to stop trying to neutralize their offense when it is obvious.
I actually felt like the league did the same to the Miami Heat when they had Lebron to make the eastern conference playoffs more challenging for the Heat. They allowed people to maul the Heat to neutralize their large advantage there.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 12:03 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
We've GOT to figure out how to get Zion the ball in different spots. What they are doing now is pretty uncreative and just not working that well.
I think this is gonna work itself out as Zion gets more acclimated to full game speed and develops more chemistry with the squad.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 12:10 pm to aswemajor
A quick answer to all this is just more shots for Murphy. Murphy played 39 Min against the Jazz, and went only 3/4 from 3. I wish he would have had 8 to 10 attempts. It should be a significant part of the gameplan to seek him out for these shots, especially if Zion/BI draw doubles down the road.
If Trey has between 20-30 min per game off the bench and gets off between 8-12 3's a game, that brings the Pels to the middle of the pack as far as 3 point shooting - and with our interior game, we don't need to be higher than that.
If Trey has between 20-30 min per game off the bench and gets off between 8-12 3's a game, that brings the Pels to the middle of the pack as far as 3 point shooting - and with our interior game, we don't need to be higher than that.
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 12:11 pm
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