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re: Daniel Jeremiah Mock Draft 2/17
Posted on 2/18/26 at 3:52 pm to Dantheman504
Posted on 2/18/26 at 3:52 pm to Dantheman504
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Realistically if Delane is a true #1 CB then that's the bigger reward but for sure the bigger risk.
Ehh. I mean we saw what Christian Gonzalez did in the SB but man elite CBs fall off HARD and fast. LJairus Snead was a monster for the Chiefs but as soon as he left for the Titans, he fell off a cliff.
Same for Sauce. He was THE CB1 in the NFL and he’s supposed to be in his prime and he was just ok this year. Got better once he was around better players but if I’m taking a CB at 8, he better be an eraser.
Delane might be Gonzo, but that’s such a volatile position. One year, your guy is a game changer. The next they could be a hindrance. I actually think CB is one of the more overrated positions in the league BECAUSE of that volatility
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Posted on 2/18/26 at 3:56 pm to WicKed WayZ
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If you wanna argue not taking Love because of the OL, that’s fine but don’t pound your fricking chest for Downs and Delane over Fano or some of the other elite OL players.
We are both smart enough to know that an OL at #8 isn't an option and that's why it isn't in the conversation. Choosing Downs/ Delane is purely based on not needing to rely on other players for them to be maximized. And for Delane its more about filling the hole at CB.
We upgrade OL and the RB hole shrinks significantly. Audric Estime had several 20+ runs at the end of last season with the worst OL. I'd rather spend extra money on OL and give him a shot if we can actually end up with a true #1 CB/ S/ DL elsewhere.
This post was edited on 2/18/26 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 2/18/26 at 3:56 pm to Lester Earl
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Downs and Bailey would be considered. Bailey may even slip post-workouts. He’s a bit stiff The edge class is loaded. There will be really good players in 2nd/3rd I would take Downs over Love. I’d consider Bain & Bailey but as I said, the strength of that position group is gaining helium.
There’s plenty of guys in the 2nd and 3rd for edge that I’d take over Bailey and Bain and not even think twice.
R Mason Thomas
Gabe Jacas
Akheem Mesidor
I’d take Downs over any player but I think his stock will rise closer to draft. I’ve seen him slip in mocks lately but I think he’ll be long gone by 8.
Posted on 2/18/26 at 3:59 pm to Dantheman504
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We upgrade OL and the RB hole shrinks significantly. Audric Estime had several 20+ runs at the end of last season with the worst OL.
I knew this would happen when Estime broke a thousand tackles and gave us an inkling of a run game. It’s just not the case. You’re not going to win a lot of games depending on Audric Estime.
I just don’t see the hole at CB that others do. Slot, for sure. But I saw enough from Riley and Kool Aid to let them start next year.
Posted on 2/18/26 at 4:04 pm to WicKed WayZ
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but man elite CBs fall off HARD and fast.
We are comparing him to a RB so this is definitely a wash. RB's fall harder and faster unless they are the elite of the elite. You are taking the exact same risk. Elite CBs will cost more so the edge would still go to Delane if he's legit.
I will admit that idk if Delane will be that elite #1 CB, its definitely a risk. But I also can't see another RB doing that much worse than Love with an improved OL. It could be minimal.
The point is that its not as simple as some make it seems and there's more factors than simply "we need RB, Love good".
This post was edited on 2/18/26 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 2/18/26 at 4:09 pm to Dantheman504
I mean I don’t think anyone would argue an elite CB 1 helps more than an elite RB1 but it’s closer than it used to be with a less emphasis on passing. You can get away with more average CB play with most teams playing two high vs some teams in the past that stacked the box and left guys on islands a lot more.
And I still think the fall off from ELITE CB is faster. Look at Lattimore. He was Elite for 2 maybe 3 years and then fell off, mostly due to injuries but even when he wasn’t injured he was never the player he was in 2017-2019.
Then you have CMC still providing borderline elite value
And I still think the fall off from ELITE CB is faster. Look at Lattimore. He was Elite for 2 maybe 3 years and then fell off, mostly due to injuries but even when he wasn’t injured he was never the player he was in 2017-2019.
Then you have CMC still providing borderline elite value
Posted on 2/18/26 at 4:11 pm to WicKed WayZ
Can't have enough. Hell of a one-two we just had and poof.
Posted on 2/18/26 at 4:12 pm to WicKed WayZ
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I knew this would happen when Estime broke a thousand tackles and gave us an inkling of a run game. It’s just not the case. You’re not going to win a lot of games depending on Audric Estime.
I love this discussion because Estime also came from the Notre Dame RB pedigree. He backed up Kyren Williams.
Final Season at ND stats:
Jeremiah Love: 199 carries/ 1,372 yards/ 18 TDs
27 catches/ 280 yards/ 3 TDs
Audric Estime: 210 carries 1,341 yards/ 18 TDs
17 catches/ 142 yards/ 0 TDs
Either Estime is highly underrated, Love is highly overrated, or we already have our starting RB on the roster.
We don't need Love, we have Estime. Maybe I'm bat shite crazy but it makes more sense than y'all would give me credit for. You can't really be obsessed with Love and not get excited about Estime. Honestly.
This post was edited on 2/18/26 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 2/18/26 at 4:22 pm to Dantheman504
There is zero chance you are trying to give the impression that Estime = Love???
If so, I hope you get laughed out the building for even trying to imply this
If so, I hope you get laughed out the building for even trying to imply this
Posted on 2/18/26 at 4:24 pm to Dantheman504
Yeahhhh we’re not going to do this
We’re not going to argue that Audric Estime is on Love’s level. We’re just not going to do that. I don’t think you’ll find anyone that would agree with that - unless they’re also stupid
I’m just in the camp of helping the young QB develop more. Sure, having a great D helps and I’m sure Delane and Downs would be great but you’re not going to be able to fix everything this year. I’d rather focus on offense and helping the only position that really truly matters, develop more.
We’re not going to argue that Audric Estime is on Love’s level. We’re just not going to do that. I don’t think you’ll find anyone that would agree with that - unless they’re also stupid
I’m just in the camp of helping the young QB develop more. Sure, having a great D helps and I’m sure Delane and Downs would be great but you’re not going to be able to fix everything this year. I’d rather focus on offense and helping the only position that really truly matters, develop more.
This post was edited on 2/18/26 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 2/18/26 at 4:31 pm to 50_Tiger
I mean guys look at the stats. They can't really be any more comparable.
I get it, eye test and abilities. But if we are talking value, need, impact, etccc. How far apart are they really? Far enough to spend a #8 pick on 1 and pass on a top talent WHILE Estime is on the roster?
We just talked about how we haven't had shite at RB for years and then the dude directly comparable to Love stat wise tears it the frick up with the worst OL we've had in that same several year time frame and y'all don't want to give him a chance?
Y'all are saying it like the dude has been a bust. He came in and immediately hit the ground running. His first 3 games paced Judkins first 3 games last year.
I'm not saying Estime is better or even as good as Love but the drop off may be way closer than perceived and its another reason to think twice about the value and needs.
I get it, eye test and abilities. But if we are talking value, need, impact, etccc. How far apart are they really? Far enough to spend a #8 pick on 1 and pass on a top talent WHILE Estime is on the roster?
We just talked about how we haven't had shite at RB for years and then the dude directly comparable to Love stat wise tears it the frick up with the worst OL we've had in that same several year time frame and y'all don't want to give him a chance?
Y'all are saying it like the dude has been a bust. He came in and immediately hit the ground running. His first 3 games paced Judkins first 3 games last year.
I'm not saying Estime is better or even as good as Love but the drop off may be way closer than perceived and its another reason to think twice about the value and needs.
This post was edited on 2/18/26 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 2/18/26 at 4:44 pm to Dantheman504
I would probably feel better about picking Love if there were already more pieces in place on offense.
Like for example, what the Lions did when they drafted Gibbs.
The defense finished pretty strong and was playing pretty well there at the end of the season. If you can add the best available piece to the front seven I would probably rather go in that direction.
And I don't have anything against Love.
If we picked him great well then that's that.
Like for example, what the Lions did when they drafted Gibbs.
The defense finished pretty strong and was playing pretty well there at the end of the season. If you can add the best available piece to the front seven I would probably rather go in that direction.
And I don't have anything against Love.
If we picked him great well then that's that.
This post was edited on 2/18/26 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 2/18/26 at 5:10 pm to LooseCannon22282
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would probably feel better about picking Love if there were already more pieces in place on offense.
It’s pretty easy to justify when you don’t have any play making pieces huh
There isn’t any part of this that would make this a luxury selection
Posted on 2/18/26 at 5:17 pm to Lester Earl
I guess you didn't care for the example I used
LMFAO
LMFAO
Posted on 2/18/26 at 5:26 pm to WicKed WayZ
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You’re not going to win a lot of games depending on Audric Estime.
I just don’t see the hole at CB that others do. Slot, for sure. But I saw enough from Riley and Kool Aid to let them start next year.
I'd rather roll the dice with Estime at RB and an upgraded OL > roll with Koolaid/ Riley as CB1 and CB2.
QB/ OL can atleast assist the RB. You are putting Koolaid on an island and praying for results.
You can really put Styles in this group too. If Styles is a true LB1 and Delane CB1 then they would be more beneficial than a RB1. The glaring issue is that no one really knows how good those 2 guys are and Love is seen as a sure shot.
Someone can be the better player and not the better pick.
This post was edited on 2/18/26 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 2/18/26 at 5:39 pm to Dantheman504
Estime doesn't have all that much of a sample size though. No?
How many games did he even play in for the Saints last year? Three or four?
How many games did he even play in for the Saints last year? Three or four?
Posted on 2/18/26 at 5:48 pm to LooseCannon22282
He started 2 games(I accidentally said 3 earlier).
Estime: 35 carries/ 157 yards/ 4.48 ypc
AK: 131 carries/ 471 yards/ 3.59 ypc
Estime had the worst OL in the last 5 years and had 2 of the best RB performances in the last 5 years in those 2 starts.
His sample size is 2 games more than Love and on paper almost comparable stats for their last year in college..
Love broke a single game rushing record against USC and broke a TD record with 1TD every single game but Estime had the exact same amount of rushing TDs. Love had 11 less carries and 30 more yards. If he had that many big runs and only had 31 more yards than Estime what are we dealing with here? How good can Estime be?
If one guy is good enough to be a sure thing top 10 pick then we would be dumb for not giving Estime a legit shot, especially for the cost.
Estime at RB1 with AK/ Miller backup is not that bad. Not spending #8 or $10mil on a RB makes it even more enticing.
I truly think this will be part of the conversation when discussing to take Love at #8.
Estime: 35 carries/ 157 yards/ 4.48 ypc
AK: 131 carries/ 471 yards/ 3.59 ypc
Estime had the worst OL in the last 5 years and had 2 of the best RB performances in the last 5 years in those 2 starts.
His sample size is 2 games more than Love and on paper almost comparable stats for their last year in college..
Love broke a single game rushing record against USC and broke a TD record with 1TD every single game but Estime had the exact same amount of rushing TDs. Love had 11 less carries and 30 more yards. If he had that many big runs and only had 31 more yards than Estime what are we dealing with here? How good can Estime be?
If one guy is good enough to be a sure thing top 10 pick then we would be dumb for not giving Estime a legit shot, especially for the cost.
Estime at RB1 with AK/ Miller backup is not that bad. Not spending #8 or $10mil on a RB makes it even more enticing.
I truly think this will be part of the conversation when discussing to take Love at #8.
This post was edited on 2/18/26 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 2/18/26 at 5:59 pm to Dantheman504
I see where you're coming from but that's still taking a big leap of faith on Estime
We need a running back who can make a difference in the passing game too. Kamara once was that guy but he's gotten older. It happens to everybody.
We need a running back who can make a difference in the passing game too. Kamara once was that guy but he's gotten older. It happens to everybody.
Posted on 2/18/26 at 6:06 pm to WicKed WayZ
If I was forced to bet on what the #1 priority of CKM's staff is as of today its a major upgrade to the oline and oline bench. On that hidden board of team needs pyramid its the capstone. 
Posted on 2/18/26 at 6:06 pm to LooseCannon22282
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I see where you're coming from but that's still taking a big leap of faith on Estime
Massive leap of faith. Drafting a RB #8 is still a big move. Atleast this is low risk and gives us another position need at #8.
Its enough to really think about all things considered.
This post was edited on 2/18/26 at 6:11 pm
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