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re: Spencer Rattler through 5 games
Posted on 10/7/25 at 1:12 pm to Pastalaya
Posted on 10/7/25 at 1:12 pm to Pastalaya
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Unfortunately, with Shough what you have is a 27 year old who habitually throws off of his back foot.
I don’t think you can fix that.
And Rattler beat him in the preseason. For an incoming rookie with like 7 years experience, there was not an easier path to starting in the NFL than beating Rattler and he could not.
We don’t owe him anything more- just chalk it as an L if Rattler continues to improve.
What if the plan was never for either of these guys to be the future of the team, but they needed someone to play the position while they built the rest of the team the way they wanted, THEN go get QB1 they wanted. Oh and if either of them lit the world on fire great if not so what you got a few years of cheap QB play and possibly a decent back up going forward.
Unless you actually thought that were going to compete for something this season. Then yea I could see shock and frustration. But that's really on you for not knowing what ht e situation really was.
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Posted on 10/7/25 at 1:14 pm to Pastalaya
He is what we thought he was a good QB. He's not an all pro, wont be.
So the thought of wasting a 2nd rounder on another QB that isn't all pro potential lost me.
Amos, Rutledge, Watts were all there and are starting for teams if im not mistaken.
So the thought of wasting a 2nd rounder on another QB that isn't all pro potential lost me.
Amos, Rutledge, Watts were all there and are starting for teams if im not mistaken.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 1:21 pm to WheyCheddar
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I don’t know what to tell you. If the Giants don’t commit 5TOs, Saints are 0-5.
I don’t care what Rattled’s ratings are. He misses open receivers, rarely throws down field, and consistently throws 7-8 yards behind the sticks on 3rd and long. Playing this style isn’t easy, but it also does not indicate he is anything more than a 2nd if not 3rd stringer.
This is a good overview of Rattler at this point.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 1:27 pm to WheyCheddar
Is he better than last year. Is he better than game one. Is he improving.
These things matter.
These things matter.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 1:55 pm to GynoSandberg
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But he has unquestionably vastly improved across all areas from 2024 to 2025. Moore isn’t going to just bench a young QB who is showing marked improvement. If Shough showed this type of growth folks would be jizzing them self
For Shough to show that type of growth then he would also have to play like the WORST QB in the NFL for 7+ games. As much as its a pleasant surprise to see Rattler play well, there's also a chance Shough plays just as well right now without being the absolute worst QB in the NFL for 7+ games..... There's a difference in there for sure.
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Moore isn’t going to just bench a young QB who is showing marked improvement.
Regardless of Rattlers improvement he is still one of the worst QB's in the NFL. Moore is 100% going to bench Rattler for Shough at some point instead of being a 1st year coach that chose to not play his 2nd rd QB. Because that would look way worse than just rolling with Rattler who is not the answer anyway.
Rattler will get a chance vs NE/ CHI and then he will certainly lose both games against LAR/ TB (even if its not his fault) which will then give Moore an excuse to play Shough.
This is not some special situation where Rattler won out for the season. He was always going to get benched for Shough at some point in the season.
Please feel free to call me out if I'm wrong but I won't be wrong and you'll never get that call out.
This post was edited on 10/7/25 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 10/7/25 at 2:09 pm to Dantheman504
Rattler has earned himself a lot of money this year. He may not be a starter in a good nfl team, but he’s going to be in the league for 10 years as a fringe starter/backup if he wants it.
I don’t think Rattler is the answer long term, but we don’t know his ceiling. He’s played . . . OK . . . with fewer than 16 career starts and playing with an awful group of pass catchers and shaky oline. Given rattler an Oline and 1 elite pass catcher and who knows.
I don’t think Rattler is the answer long term, but we don’t know his ceiling. He’s played . . . OK . . . with fewer than 16 career starts and playing with an awful group of pass catchers and shaky oline. Given rattler an Oline and 1 elite pass catcher and who knows.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 2:12 pm to ned nederlander
I agree with all of this. The issue is that most people don't think Rattler is the answer long term and we just spent a 2nd rd pick on a QB. Its highly unlikely that a 1st year coach chooses NOT to play that QB while simultaneously still being a bottom 5 team in the NFL. Its honestly less than highly unlikely.
The bigger issue is that regardless of how much Rattler improves there's always an off chance that Shough is better. And the only way to know that is to actually play him.
The bigger issue is that regardless of how much Rattler improves there's always an off chance that Shough is better. And the only way to know that is to actually play him.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 2:43 pm to Dantheman504
Reading Rattler threads from August, you’re already wrong. Not just you so no big deal. Y’all have so much built up disdain for Rattler that it seizes your ability of having any perspective. He's played 11 games. You could simply just credit the job they’ve done.
And I think Shough plays this year, that’s not some bold take. I’m just telling you why CKM keeps going to the Rattler well; developing QBs is the hardest thing to do in this league
And I think Shough plays this year, that’s not some bold take. I’m just telling you why CKM keeps going to the Rattler well; developing QBs is the hardest thing to do in this league
Posted on 10/7/25 at 2:49 pm to ned nederlander
My thing is why CAN'T Rattler be the long term answer? You keep building this team up you could end up then you end of up in a SF situation where you just put a QB in there and it dont matter. Look at Mac Jones rn.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 2:54 pm to GynoSandberg
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Y’all have so much built up disdain for Rattler that it seizes your ability of having any perspective. He's played 11 games. You could simply just credit the job they’ve done.
I have no distain for Rattler. I just personally think Shough has more upside and probably a better arm. I have no problem with Rattler being the choice AFTER we give Shough a chance and see what happens.
I think its a pointless argument either way until we actually have data/ eye test from both guys in order to make that decision. I'm moreso responing to the sentiment that Rattler won the job or that Shough was a wasted pick. Neither are necessarily true yet. Being 1st or last to start at QB this year means nothing. The only thing that matters is who starts next year. We won't have that answer until we see Shough.
But yes to your point props to Rattler and our coaches for showing the improvements they have.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 2:55 pm to MONROE
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Why did we waste $10M on Cooks who has like 2 catches or a 4th on Vele?
Will need bodies once they maximize the trade value of Olave and ship him off in a couple of weeks.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 3:03 pm to BowDownToLSU
quote:say it louder for the people in the back!!
why did we waste a second round pick on a back up quarterback
Posted on 10/7/25 at 3:08 pm to WhoKnows
I know right. Said the same about Love sitting on the bench forever, years a wasted first round pick. Look at crappy Green Bay now.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 3:15 pm to Geauxing for 3
Yeah hopefully we can get a 4th for him
Posted on 10/7/25 at 4:41 pm to Sunnyvale
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Give Seaux time.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 7:16 am to mdomingue
Spencer has improved because the team has improved
Posted on 10/8/25 at 7:29 am to Dantheman504
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Uhh its definitely happening. Lol
ok buddy
Posted on 10/8/25 at 8:09 am to goatmilker
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Love
was 27 in his rookie year... in fact, he's STILL not 27 years old...
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Look at crappy Green Bay now.
you think the Packers are as good as they are right now solely b/c of Love?
Posted on 10/8/25 at 10:36 am to WhoKnows
The importance of the qb position is not debatable.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 12:03 pm to TIGERSby10
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Give Rattler a couple competent guards, a #1 WR, and a good TE, and he would be considered a quality starting QB in this league.
This won't fix terrible accuracy.
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