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We actually used motion on Offense.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 8/11/25 at 12:21 pm
Saints were dead last I believe in motion under Carmichael and Allen.
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 1:32 pm to Fun Bunch
Its the dawn of happier days.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 1:35 pm to Fun Bunch
I don't think people realize exactly how bad it was and how far in last place we were with motion, pre snap adjustments, etc. on offense. I think we were last in those metrics separately and as a whole iirc.
Quick browsing says we were dead last in motion and play action for sure, but I believe we were also last in some other metrics iirc.
Quick browsing says we were dead last in motion and play action for sure, but I believe we were also last in some other metrics iirc.
This post was edited on 8/11/25 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 8/11/25 at 1:38 pm to bonethug0180
31 teams are very upset the Saints have moved on from a 20 year old offense to something new from the youngest kid around lol
Posted on 8/11/25 at 1:38 pm to Fun Bunch
It didn't help.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 1:38 pm to goatmilker
Well with Kubiak we were turning it around as well, until everyone got hurt. But under Carmichael it was a nightmare.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 1:56 pm to Fun Bunch
Saints ran presnap motion 21% of the time last year, Philly was at 22%
Posted on 8/11/25 at 2:09 pm to bonethug0180
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Quick browsing says we were dead last in motion and play action for sure, but I believe we were also last in some other metrics iirc.
Which is crazy when you think about because these are aspects schematically that can be used to help a QB pre snap especially young QBs. Motion allows a QB to get a pre snap dictator of coverage. Play action can help slow down pass rush just a step & allow the ability to get LBs & safeties a a step or two out of position.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 2:39 pm to Fun Bunch
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We actually used motion on Offense.
And against a good defense, the jet sweep is about as successful as DA's playoffs performances.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 2:52 pm to GynoSandberg
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Saints ran presnap motion 21% of the time last year, Philly was at 22%
What was the percentage pre-DA firing vs Post?
Posted on 8/11/25 at 2:56 pm to bonethug0180
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Well with Kubiak we were turning it around as well, until everyone got hurt. But under Carmichael it was a nightmare.
Carmichael just continue what he/they did under Payton..
Payton rarely used motion because by the time he got the play call in there was 4 seconds left. That plus Drew needed the ability to check into audible when he felt like it.
Worked OK with a hall-of-fame QB. Somehow, that didn't translate to Jameis Winston or Spencer Rattler.
This post was edited on 8/11/25 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:17 pm to Fun Bunch
I edited, those numbers are just from motion at the snap
Kellen Moore as OC, motion/shift rate
2021: 39.1%
2022: 43.8%
2023: 59.6%
2024: 52.9%
The Saints ranked last in motion/shift rate in 2022 (15.2%) and 2023 (24.3%)
Kellen Moore as OC, motion/shift rate
2021: 39.1%
2022: 43.8%
2023: 59.6%
2024: 52.9%
The Saints ranked last in motion/shift rate in 2022 (15.2%) and 2023 (24.3%)
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:19 pm to GynoSandberg
That seems a lot more accurate. It was laughable how little we did pre-snap
Posted on 8/11/25 at 3:30 pm to Fun Bunch
Kubiak was tracking to have the highest rate of presnap motion ever last year before all the injuries hit. But it obviously helped the offense tremendously
Moore also ramped up Philly’s motion big time when he took over
Moore also ramped up Philly’s motion big time when he took over
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