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Posted on 8/4/21 at 6:56 am to tadman
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Electric Cars - the biggest scam?
Not the biggest but it is big
Posted on 8/4/21 at 7:09 am to tadman
I'm not sure about them being a scam, they may be perfectly fine for all I know, but I have noticed that some have a almost cult like devotion to them. Which may not necessarily be a problem, if someone really likes something, they just do.
I guess my biggest concern is the left wing in their usual way may try to force everyone to have one. It's long standing tradition of the left wing that if they like something they think everyone should be forced to have it and if they don't like something it should be banned from anyone having it.
The left wing and freedom are just like oil and water, they don't mix.
I guess my biggest concern is the left wing in their usual way may try to force everyone to have one. It's long standing tradition of the left wing that if they like something they think everyone should be forced to have it and if they don't like something it should be banned from anyone having it.
The left wing and freedom are just like oil and water, they don't mix.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 7:48 am to FredBear
I might like to own one, maybe a Cyber Truck... but I have big concerns like the OP.
I can buy gas pretty much anywhere if I am running low. If I run out, someone can bring gas in a can. Does someone have to bring a generator to me and charge for an hour so I can maybe find a charger?
If everyone gets a car and everyone needs to charge for 20 minutes, how can there possibly be enough chargers to support people on the roads?
How could you provide enough electricity to large communities, offices, and apartment complexes with a couple thousand cars or more?
Where are all the power plants under construction now? How do you retrofit the current infrastructure to pipe all the extra juice needed?
Are there going to be enough technicians to work on these things? I can almost see this going to a "you don't own the car, you own the privilege of a car" scenario, where they just swap the car out and refurbish it.
I can buy gas pretty much anywhere if I am running low. If I run out, someone can bring gas in a can. Does someone have to bring a generator to me and charge for an hour so I can maybe find a charger?
If everyone gets a car and everyone needs to charge for 20 minutes, how can there possibly be enough chargers to support people on the roads?
How could you provide enough electricity to large communities, offices, and apartment complexes with a couple thousand cars or more?
Where are all the power plants under construction now? How do you retrofit the current infrastructure to pipe all the extra juice needed?
Are there going to be enough technicians to work on these things? I can almost see this going to a "you don't own the car, you own the privilege of a car" scenario, where they just swap the car out and refurbish it.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 7:54 am to tadman
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Porsche's race cars, Cadillac's V8 and tailfins, Mercedes' engineering... all means nothing. It's a giant golf cart.
Yeah...no engineering goes into making an EV
If it was easy one of the major auto companies would have squashed Tesla in this market years ago
Posted on 8/4/21 at 7:54 am to concrete_tiger
I don’t care if the EV owners want to play make believe about saving the world. However, don’t for one second think the ICE is going anywhere any time soon.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 7:57 am to PurpleKnight88
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5. Virtually the entire supply chain for batteries comes from unfriendly nations (70% from China so TRUE)
Seems like this is the biggest issue. Don’t get me wrong as it is a huge trucking issue.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 8:39 am to Wtodd
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Not the biggest but it is big
Keep in mind, when reading this thread, why Biden says changing to EVs will add jobs.
How many thousand charging stations will be added. How many changes to the home electrical meters/switch boxes? According to the "advocates" on the board, 25% increase in power generation, minimum. It would take decades in the courts just to satisfy environmental nutjobs on power plant increases.
What are we going to use to fuel the new power generators? Nuclear bad! Since Hillary gave our Uranium to Putin, what will we use for fuel?
Who is going to do the work? Mexicans, Afghans, Chinese.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:01 am to tadman
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I don't get electric cars
you have made that abundantly clear.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:06 am to tadman
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From start to finish it is a fatally flawed model.
Don’t forget also that the new power grid supporting this farce will be biomass fed.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:31 am to Tshiz
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Democrats are too dumb to understand that picture.
And folks who share that photo online to discredit electric vehicles are usually too lazy to look up the backstory behind it.
That picture is incredibly misleading. It's in the Nullarbor - one of the most remote places in the world - so there is obviously no electric infrastructure there.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:38 am to Enadious
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Here are some examples for recharging times: With a single onboard charger plugged into a standard 110-volt outlet, Tesla says you will get 5 miles of range for every hour of charging. From zero to 300 miles would take about 52 hours at that rate.
Hmm... 300/5 = 60, where did the 52 hours come from? Is that the "new math" (where 2 + 2 could be 5) answer?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:44 am to tadman
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4. We can't pull our heads out of our asses to decide what kind of power plants are safe to build (coal=bad nuke=war natgas=fracking)
That’s truly what I find most hilarious about all of this crap. People act as if electricity comes from magic, yet it really comes from burning fossil fuels or nuclear power, that which environmentalists despise. It’s inefficient, it’s impractical, and it’s not achievable.
IOW…. It’s from the minds of dreamers.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:50 am to krones
quote:Also, a gallon of diesel burned in that generator drives an EV further than the same gallon in a similarly-sized diesel vehicle.
And folks who share that photo online to discredit electric vehicles are usually too lazy to look up the backstory behind it.
That picture is incredibly misleading. It's in the Nullarbor - one of the most remote places in the world - so there is obviously no electric infrastructure there.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:20 am to concrete_tiger
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Are there going to be enough technicians to work on these things? I can almost see this going to a "you don't own the car, you own the privilege of a car" scenario, where they just swap the car out and refurbish it.
Agreed, but it’s not going to be the car that gets switched out. Instead the battery will get switched out.
NIO (China based EV) introduced BaaS (Battery as a service) which essentially allows the driver to pull up, switch our for a fully charged battery, and get back on the road.
I agree that eventually there is going to be an infrastructure crunch on charging stations. I like the BaaS model and think it sets NIO up well long term in their market.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:27 am to tadman
Not to mention the longevity of electric cars. Those batteries have a finite amount of cycles and the cars are not easily scrapped.
You also can’t do personal repairs. So once dealers stop doing maintenance on a model you’re screwed.
Tesla in particular has also been shown to disable charging at its stations for older models a la planned obsolescence.
You also can’t do personal repairs. So once dealers stop doing maintenance on a model you’re screwed.
Tesla in particular has also been shown to disable charging at its stations for older models a la planned obsolescence.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:19 pm to willymeaux
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Not to mention the longevity of electric cars. Those batteries have a finite amount of cycles and the cars are not easily scrapped. You also can’t do personal repairs. So once dealers stop doing maintenance on a model you’re screwed.
It's pretty easy to replace a bad battery cell in a Prius. Rebuilt battery cells are about $35 and plentiful.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:28 pm to weadjust
Pretty sure those lithium ion batteries from Tesla are not cheap. Gonna be funny five years down the road when the cost to replace the battery system is more than these fancy golf carts are worth. Also with the pace of tech will your car be compatible with new battery tech that is likely at time of replacement?… so many unanswered questions
Or will they be like cordless drills that are cheaper to replace the whole unit than buy replacement batteries.
Or will they be like cordless drills that are cheaper to replace the whole unit than buy replacement batteries.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:59 pm to joeleblanc
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Lowest quality of car according to JD powers
Translation: “this car company didn’t pay us as much”
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:22 pm to bayoudude
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Gonna be funny five years down the road when the cost to replace the battery system is more than these fancy golf carts are worth. Also with the pace of tech will your car be compatible with new battery tech that is likely at time of replacement?… so many unanswered questions
Same thing was said about the Prius when it was introduce. There is no problem finding a battery for 17 year old Prius and at a reasonable cost. If there is a need and it's profitable the aftermarket will sell rebuilt batteries.
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