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re: Electric Cars - the biggest scam?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:12 pm to tadman
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:12 pm to tadman
More issues with EVs
Limited cargo space
Limited miles between charges
With one or two exceptions most are ugly
God help you if you ever have to replace the battery. The cost is outrageous.
When the battery is running low your heating and cooling will not work as well as normal.
Limited cargo space
Limited miles between charges
With one or two exceptions most are ugly
God help you if you ever have to replace the battery. The cost is outrageous.
When the battery is running low your heating and cooling will not work as well as normal.
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:22 pm to Korkstand
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I think it boils down to the fact that large heat engines are more efficient than smaller ones, and that is enough to overcome the inefficiency in the EV drivetrain.
This is almost universally true. Small combustion engines are incredibly inefficient, especially gasoline engines.
We are talking 25% efficiency vs 50-60% for a natural gas plant.
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ny infrastructure issues will be localized. As a whole, over the course of a year, our power plants operate at less than 50% capacity on average. Also it's possible, if not likely, that just new solar installations will outpace the extra demand by EVs.
This is the simplest problem to solve by allowing utilities to throttle residential EV fast-charging to nighttime or non-peak times only.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:16 pm to LRB1967
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Limited cargo space
???????
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:20 pm to LRB1967
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More issues with EVs
Limited cargo space
Limited miles between charges
Which combustion vehicles offer unlimited cargo space as well as infinity miles per fill up?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:37 pm to Korkstand
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ny infrastructure issues will be localized. As a whole, over the course of a year, our power plants operate at less than 50% capacity on average. Also it's possible, if not likely, that just new solar installations will outpace the extra demand by EVs.
The problem is not generation, but the distribution grid which is maxed out. No matter how many KW you can generate, there is a finite limit to how many amps can be forced through a wire at a given voltage. Also the EV car advocates need to get their story straight with the solar power advocates who are saying the exact opposite about infrastructure, they are saying the grid must be redesigned before solar energy can advance substantially.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:15 am to EA6B
quote:Hence all the discussion about charging at night, "smart" charging, time of use billing, backfeed charger setups, on-site energy production (solar) and storage, etc etc etc. We know we have the generation capacity, we just have to level out the peaks and troughs that we currently have from day to night.
The problem is not generation, but the distribution grid which is maxed out. No matter how many KW you can generate, there is a finite limit to how many amps can be forced through a wire at a given voltage.
quote:I don't know what you're talking about. A good chunk of solar installations operate completely off-grid, why would the grid need to be redesigned? The biggest issue if solar gets extremely widespread would be storing the excess production. Lithium batteries are pretty good for mobile use, but they're still expensive for larger stationary installs.
Also the EV car advocates need to get their story straight with the solar power advocates who are saying the exact opposite about infrastructure, they are saying the grid must be redesigned before solar energy can advance substantially.
There are many battery technologies being worked on. Things like thermal storage, flywheels, gravity batteries (think automated cranes that stack heavy blocks to charge and unstack them to discharge), iron-air batteries (rust and un-rust), electrolysis/stored hydrogen, and on and on.
Even if you don't believe or care about all the climate change shite, EVs, solar, battery tech, and other technologies should be exciting for anyone who values self-sufficiency.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:29 am to Cdawg
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mine their lithium in Nevada
They should just get it from Walgreens like me.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 5:37 am to LRB1967
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More issues with EVs
Limited cargo space
Posted on 8/5/21 at 6:47 am to kywildcatfanone
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More issues with EVs
Limited cargo space
Yeah. I guess it’s not enough that Teslas, the new Hummer, and the new Ford Lightning have an extra trunk over an ICE car.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 6:51 am to member12
Well, I assume he meant small cars, but he didn't specify.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 6:57 am to 21JumpStreet
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Can't wait for all boomers to retire and not have opinions anymore
Retired people generally have the strongest opinions of all. And the experience to back it up.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 7:28 am to kywildcatfanone
Better question - Why am I having to pay the public road taxes from buying gasoline when all of the EVs are not contributing? In Texas we pay 20 cents a gallon -- California - 60+ cents a gallon. They use the same roads.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 7:33 am to davich
That $7500 tax credit makes a BMW 330e about $38,000. You never even have to use the plug. Best deal going right now.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 7:39 am to Dominate308
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BMW 330e
Nice car, but I do hope we've reached the crest of this particular wave:
Posted on 8/5/21 at 8:15 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Why lie?
Hey Johnny Kilroy, do you just reply with nonsensical one liners? You add zero to this conversation. Go back to mom's basement bro. I hear there's Krystal and a fresh bottle of hand lotion.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 8:23 am to Jax Teller
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We didn’t abandon the horse and buggy when the Model-T was created. Nor did we abandon the prop plane when jet engines were created. You let the technology grow organically. The market will do what it will do when you let it live and breathe.
Democrats are stupid in everything they think, believe, and scream about when it comes to economics and how it works with their agendas. It’s pathetic.
Nailed it.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:36 am to Jax Teller
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We didn’t abandon the horse and buggy when the Model-T was created. Nor did we abandon the prop plane when jet engines were created. You let the technology grow organically. The market will do what it will do when you let it live and breathe.
The government poured assloads of money into those technologies when they were emerging.
Governments all around the world have been subsidizing new and emerging tech for centuries. Why do people on this board constantly act like EVs have gotten some big leg up that older tech never got?
I mean, government still subsidizes O&G in various ways. Don’t hear complaints about that on TD.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:53 am to davich
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Better question - Why am I having to pay the public road taxes from buying gasoline when all of the EVs are not contributing? In Texas we pay 20 cents a gallon -- California - 60+ cents a gallon. They use the same roads.
it's coming
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:12 am to achenator
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Better question - Why am I having to pay the public road taxes from buying gasoline when all of the EVs are not contributing? In Texas we pay 20 cents a gallon -- California - 60+ cents a gallon. They use the same roads.
quote:.
it's coming
I was on a webinar a week or so ago (continuing education credits) and this was being discussed. The general idea for implementation is a road usage-based tax instead of gas taxes. Road usage would be based on driven mileage, which would be taken/tracked when you get your annual inspection sticker (brake tag) and then calculated. You'd pay the fee (in addition to the $10 bucks or so) when getting your inspection sticker.
So in the future, having an expired inspection sticker (or none at all) will be a MUCH bigger deal.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:22 am to BRich
A reason for a brake tag that isn't a total nonsense money grab. Who would have expected that?
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