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re: Fired IT employees sue LSU
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:24 pm to Maximus
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:24 pm to Maximus
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You ever talk to Tony B?
Every now and then.
He has three kids now. A girl and twin boys. He is a prosecutor in Missouri. His wife is the head of some liberal arts college department up there.
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 3:26 pm
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:38 pm to CptBengal
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ou do realize these are the piecess of shite making 250k a year that claimed to live here, took like 50k for moving expenses...
Bill their national trips to campus...and still live in Illinois, right?
Only one made over 250K THey all lived in condos in Baton Rouge and paid LA income taxes though their families stayed behind. The issue involved a state law that required they register all their vehicles in Louisiana.
From the article
quote:
Andrea Ballinger, chief technology officer, who was making $268,000 per year; Matthew Helm, assistant vice-president in information technology services, $202,085 per year; Susan Flanagin, director in information technology services, $149,000 annually; and Thomas Glenn, director of information technology services, $144,200 annually; were forced out of their jobs on March 20 after the audit, which had been circulated to only seven top LSU officials on Feb. 6, became public.
The employees lived in condos at Perkins Rowe and paid state taxes in Louisiana, Bankston told The Advocate Tuesday. But their families and homes remained in Illinois.
Ballinger, Flanagin and Helm – Bankston’s clients – would have refused the LSU job offer had they known about the Louisiana law, which required all the vehicles they own to be registered in this state, he said. That would include the vehicles their families continued to use at their homes in Illinois.
I actually think they kind of have a point.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:40 pm to Jim Rockford
so Edwards did it to frick with Jindal and now it probably comes back to bite LSU lol
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:42 pm to Jim Rockford
I don't think this is all that uncommon. I know the office of group benefits at the very least was still using a horrifying IBM mainframe for their major systems like...3 years ago.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:45 pm to Jim Rockford
I'm not surprised by this.
LSU's class scheduling system can't handle more than 10 students at a time and many of their web pages look like they were made in the 80's
LSU's class scheduling system can't handle more than 10 students at a time and many of their web pages look like they were made in the 80's
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:47 pm to Jim Rockford
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If true this is malfeasance going back through multiple administrations.
It is absolutely true that the IBM system COBOL is still being used.
It is also true that LSU made the decision to hire those 4 IT admins to help facilitate the modernization or replacement of the system.
They were absolutely NOT fired because of their pushing for a replacement
Andrea was specifically hired because of her experience in leading the modernization of core systems at a university
Her lawyer's statements are simply meant to embarrass LSU
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:48 pm to Shiftyplus1
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fricking COBOL? I havent even thought of that language since the early 90s. That is pathetic. And still using a half century old IBM mainframe? Embarassing for a "flagship" university.
Many of the top corporations in the world still use mainframes. Banks specifically still make heavy use of COBOL backends. Use of very old hardware and software is much more common than most people think.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:48 pm to Jim Rockford
Couldn't possibly have anything to do with them breaking the rules to avoid paying taxes.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:49 pm to jdd48
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fricking COBOL? I havent even thought of that language since the early 90s. That is pathetic. And still using a half century old IBM mainframe? Embarassing for a "flagship" university.
Many of the top corporations in the world still use mainframes. Banks specifically still make heavy use of COBOL backends. Use of very old hardware and software is much more common than most people think.
You all can thank the state legislature and past/current governors for this. LSU has tried for decades to replace mainframe only to have the funding cut out of the state's budget
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:50 pm to Jim Rockford
AS/400 ... rock solid server
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:52 pm to Tigeralum2008
Lawyer horse shite, everyone knows about the mainframe and it’s need to replace it. 5.1 million is low for a SIS transition if they go with banner or peoplesoft. They where fired because they did not want to play by the rules. It was state law and the no approved work from home that did not go through HR.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:54 pm to Jim Rockford
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outdated programming language of COBOL.
LSU admins should be ashamed of using this archaic language. The Illinois IT person is right, and was chastised for wanting to modernize the current system LSU uses for tuition, payroll, student services and other critical functions.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:54 pm to Tigeralum2008
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You all can thank the state legislature and past/current governors for this. LSU has tried for decades to replace mainframe only to have the funding cut out of the state's budget
Sometimes it's not as simple as throwing a shitpile of money at the problem. Just getting the data out of a large legacy system and imported into a new system can be a monumental, years long task by itself. Then add on top of that testing and training (and often the heartburn of tossing out past investments), and you're looking at a process that could take a very long time and cost alot of money. While it may seem counter intuitive, sometimes it is actually cheaper to maintain the legacy system than the time and expense involved with a new one.
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:55 pm to TDsngumbo
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Oh I know and I agree with you. I still think the fact that LSU is still running its entire operation on such an outdated system is deserving of being sued.
HR, Procurement, and Budgeting was transitioned to Workday about 2 years ago
The plan was for these 4 IT admins to collaborate with Workday and other LSU constituents to build a new system dubbed "Workday Student" thereby bridging everything into one core
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:57 pm to jdd48
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While it may seem counter intuitive, sometimes it is actually cheaper to maintain the legacy system than the time and expense involved with a new one.
With due respect, your points are quite valid but maintaining the system for this long was just kicking the can down the road
Hurricane Jindal's budget cuts and LSU's transition to Workday for non-student related management eschewed in a number of employee retirements draining the institutional knowledge needed to maintain the legacy system
At some point you have to pull the bandaid off
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:58 pm to mdomingue
quote:bullshite. I would like to see how many nights they stayed there.
The employees lived in condos at Perkins Rowe
they bought/rented those condos to get the job and pay LA taxes, yet "lived" in IL with their families.
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:02 pm to CarRamrod
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they bought/rented those condos to get the job and pay LA taxes, yet "lived" in IL with their families.
it's actually quite common for high paid employees to work in one state during the week and fly back home on weekends.
I have ZERO problems with this so long as the employees are getting their jobs done.
Hell, I wouldn't have a problem with the employees living in ILL. and flying in to LSU periodically. Everything about their job duties (other than Andrea's) could be done remotely
Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:03 pm to jdd48
From a 2016 article...
“In fact, Reuters calculates that there’s still 220 billion lines of COBOL code currently being used in production today, and that every day, COBOL systems handle $3 trillion in commerce.“
“American Banker found 92 of the top 100 banks were still using mainframe computers — and so were 71 percent of the companies in the Fortune 500.”
“About 95 percent of ATM swipes use COBOL code, Reuters reported in April”
“...even powers 80 percent of in-person transactions.”
The “in person” transactions is referring to Point of Sale retail transactions. Also, I’m pretty sure it is still very prevalent in health care and insurance industries as well.
“In fact, Reuters calculates that there’s still 220 billion lines of COBOL code currently being used in production today, and that every day, COBOL systems handle $3 trillion in commerce.“
“American Banker found 92 of the top 100 banks were still using mainframe computers — and so were 71 percent of the companies in the Fortune 500.”
“About 95 percent of ATM swipes use COBOL code, Reuters reported in April”
“...even powers 80 percent of in-person transactions.”
The “in person” transactions is referring to Point of Sale retail transactions. Also, I’m pretty sure it is still very prevalent in health care and insurance industries as well.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:10 pm to Shiftyplus1
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fricking COBOL? I havent even thought of that language since the early 90s. That is pathetic.
I’m pretty sure most banks and airlines still use COBOL. Yeah, it’s old. But it’s still around.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:16 pm to Jim Rockford
This is a really weird case for Larry Bankston to take.
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