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Posted on 8/21/20 at 2:13 pm to Jim Rockford
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"College degrees are out of reach for many Americans
Not if we elect Biden!! Then they will be free for everyone
Posted on 8/21/20 at 2:15 pm to Jim Rockford
The liberal model of education, which everyone should value, should not be tied to jobs or even a notion of vocation. But most people don't value, nor do they understand the Enlightenment origins of a liberal education, or why it is structured the way it is.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 2:17 pm to Fat and Happy
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A huge majority of college degrees are complete BS programs
And some are complete BA programs
Posted on 8/21/20 at 2:18 pm to Jim Rockford
That's great and all, but I'll keep my EE degree. It has opened a lot more doors than a certificate could.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 2:19 pm to Jim Rockford
IBM’s poverty center has been doing this for years for low income jobs.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 2:20 pm to crazy4lsu
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The liberal model of education, which everyone should value, should not be tied to jobs or even a notion of vocation. But most people don't value, nor do they understand the Enlightenment origins of a liberal education, or why it is structured the way it is.
I'm all for a well rounded education. I'm against offering majors in concentrations that produce no real world skill. (ie Feminist Studies)
Posted on 8/21/20 at 2:22 pm to Cs
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Google doesn't care about whether or not people have economic security - they want more qualified people applying for their positions. The more qualified applicants there are, the more positions they can fill at a lower cost.
It's about cheaper labor for them, not some fulfillment of corporate idealism
Win win for Google and low skilled workers. Capitalism just gets shite done.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 2:23 pm to Jim Rockford
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Posted on 8/21/20 at 2:25 pm to waiting4saturday
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We’ll tell that to all the 50-80 year olds who told their kids they wouldn’t make it without a college degree.
Of course universities don’t care because they’re bringing in more money than ever going from a place of high learning to a degree factory.
You left the key component in all of it - anyone can get a government-secured student loan to study anything.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 2:28 pm to Winston Cup
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what? it seems like college degrees are more watered down than ever.
The degree is. The cost is not.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 2:55 pm to jodyfrickinmills
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These days, Universities are nothing more than physical plants for marxist indoctrination.
I'd argue that professors, especially in liberal arts colleges, have the predisposition to being on the left side of the spectrum. Where we are failing as a society is teaching our kids core values that counteract that agenda; such as hard work, respecting other views, etc. Kids are being sent out the door a blank slate, coming back impractical leftist bigots.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 2:59 pm to Dawgwithnoname
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I'm all for a well rounded education. I'm against offering majors in concentrations that produce no real world skill. (ie Feminist Studies)
The skills that a Feminist Studies concentration focuses on are the same skills that are taught widely in the humanities. There is literally no reason to specifically single out particular concentrations if it is based on the skills argument alone. Not only that, the feminist tradition is literally based in the liberal tradition, as Mary Wollstonecraft wrote A Vindication of the Rights of Women within the context of arguments about the French Revolution, and preceded this text with a book that was a direct response to Edmund Burke called A Vindication of the Rights of Men. It's not as though there are feminist works that represent grand departures from the liberal, empirical tradition; indeed, most of them are couched firmly within that tradition.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 3:04 pm to bountyhunter
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I'd argue that professors, especially in liberal arts colleges, have the predisposition to being on the left side of the spectrum.
I'd argue that there are not all that many major Marxist thinkers in academic institutions. At one point in time, some departments might have had a token Marxist there, but the Marxist tradition in the US is supremely overstated. The Anarcho-Communist tradition had a stronger presence at certain institutions, but most of its work has taken place outside the academy.
The notion that there are teachers able to indoctrinate students is undermined by anyone who has taught a college class, as I have. People insist upon it anyway, because they want some convenient answer that serves as a catch-all explanation for everything bad in the world, but it is nonsensical on its face.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 3:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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make the college degree a sign of education (not job training) again!
Wouldn't this do the opposite?
Posted on 8/21/20 at 3:12 pm to tk for tu juan
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Surprised it took this long for companies to dip into the education market.
Texas Instruments did it in 1961 for what is now UT Dallas. They wanted to train and create high-ed opportunities for potential employees in the North Texas area instead importing talent to work at TI
A big chemical plant up here tried to partner with our local state university to fund a college of engineering that would confer the more specific (and relevant) engineering degrees necessary to boost the company's growth and attract more technical industry. Pledged $10 million, half the start-up cost, on the premise that the university fundraise the remainder.
School backed out late in negotiations and built an amphitheater for the performing arts program instead.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 3:15 pm to Clames
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An outdated concept in a world where specialization is increasingly more important for gaining and maintaining employment and access to global information networks is practically universal in most well-industrialized societies
Ideally, it's so people understand the world around them and how they fit into it. Even now there are brilliant scientists, doctors, etc., who are completely ignorant of anything outside their narrow area of specialization. Even worse, they don't know what they don't know, abd they're arrogant enough to think that they do. If you've ever been cornered by a surgeon while he expounded on some crackpot theory, you know what I'm talking about.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 3:16 pm to Jim Rockford
Pretty sure companies aren't going to accept a Google 6 month technical training as a substitute for a college degree.
At least not any time soon.
At least not any time soon.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 3:23 pm to crazy4lsu
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The skills that a Feminist Studies concentration focuses on are the same skills that are taught widely in the humanities.
You obviously are grossly ignorant about 3rd Wave feminism, which is the bulk of contemporary Feminist Studies courses. It is not "literally based" on anything aside from peddling victimhood mentality.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 3:23 pm to Jim Rockford
Yeah so when you don’t get hired on at Google, you’ll realize you wasted six months of your life.
It’s disrupting a very narrow market with no portability
It’s disrupting a very narrow market with no portability
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