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re: How did the Big Bang happen?
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:06 am to Trout Bandit
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:06 am to Trout Bandit
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It sure wasn't Jesus.
Better hope you're right.
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:07 am to Geauxboy
Why?
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:08 am to Darth_Vader
It didn't. The Big Bang theory is stupid and I'm embarrassed that my species came up with it.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:09 am to Darth_Vader
My theory is that "something" caused the gravitational constant to reverse for an instant.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:14 am to arcalades
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the aqbsolute (sic) stupidest answer. Bb came from satan not God. Bb specifically contradicts what God said He did.
lolwut
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:15 am to Trout Bandit
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It sure wasn't Jesus.
Ooooh brilliant insight. So controversial. You win!
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:25 am to ChewyDante
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Using the Bible to glean moral or philosophical principles is one thing. That's something I think believers and disbelievers alike can gain from it. However, the logic of "you should believe just in case" is so far off base from how I approach this question. It's an utterly asinine rationale as far as I'm concerned
I'm not using it as a basis or sole reason. The main point was why don't you try find out for yourself instead of listening to others or dismissing it because of some piddly reason? Buy a Bible and study it. If your don't understand some of it (you won't trust me because some of it is hard to keep up with) then search that story or passage up to get reference. They are new bibles with reference in there to give context that are extremely useful.
If nothing comes from it than you have not lost anything but I guarantee you will be better for having read it
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:26 am to Geauxboy
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Better hope you're right.
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Pascal's wager is an argument in philosophy presented by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician and physicist, Blaise Pascal (1623–1662). It posits that humans bet with their lives that God either exists or does not.
Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas if God does exist, he stands to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell).
“What does it hurt to pursue value and virtue? If there is value, then we have everything to gain, but if there is none, then we haven’t lost anything. Thus, we should seek value.”
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:32 am to Darth_Vader
If interested in this type of stuff I'd recommend "The language of God" as a good read.
Author is Francis Collins a Theoretical Chemist PhD who went on to Medical School and went into genetics research before going on to lead NIH.
Author is Francis Collins a Theoretical Chemist PhD who went on to Medical School and went into genetics research before going on to lead NIH.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:38 am to Darth_Vader
Einstein and Hawking weren't smart enough to figure it out so I'll monitor this thread to learn the correct answer.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:40 am to Privateer 2007
I am good friends with Collins' disciple who did a PhD in Computational Genetics, and went on to work for the most funded subsidiary of Alphabet Inc. He spoke with Francis almost everyday.
That's a good book, but I prefer "Where the Conflict Really Lies: Science, Religion, and Naturalism".
That's a good book, but I prefer "Where the Conflict Really Lies: Science, Religion, and Naturalism".
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:45 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:Correct. "Big Bang" is unfortunate nomenclature, and comparisons to an explosion as we tend to think are mostly incorrect.
Nothing exploded. It was a rapid expansion.
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The Big Bang is not an explosion of matter moving outward to fill an empty universe. Instead, space itself expands with time everywhere and increases the physical distances between comoving points. In other words, the Big Bang is not an explosion in space, but rather an expansion of space.
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 9:50 am
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:48 am to FutureMikeVIII
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lolwut
Look into Manichæism, Gnostic traditions, the Cathars, etc.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:51 am to Geauxboy
quote:This doesn't really apply to the majority of 'nonbelievers', most of whom are likely agnostic to a degree, and don't really have anything to "hope" to be "right" about. Nonbelief isn't the same thing as disbelief. Not directed at you but a lot of religious people don't understand the distinction and it makes a lot of their arguments moot in the eyes of those they're trying to convince. Pascal's Wager and whatnot.
Better hope you're right.
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 9:52 am
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:51 am to Darth_Vader
When the last universe died and collapsed in on itself. Then all the energy from that caused the big bang. The cycle goes on. Time isn't linear, it's just such a giant circle and we occupy such a small part of it that we can't see the curve
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:54 am to Darth_Vader
Our observations are never going to give a satisfactory answer to this question. It is borderline unanswerable.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:00 am to tiggerthetooth
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No matter what you think there had to be something here before the universe existed.
There was no "before". Spacetime is part of the universe. There is no meaning to "what happened before the Big Bang". It's a non-sensical question like asking "What's North of the North Pole"? There is no sensible answer to the question.
What happened before or to the left of the Big Bang just makes no sense to ask. These concepts were created as part of the Big Bang.
I do think it's valid to ask what is outside (or maybe a better way to put it is "other than" to avoid the trap of imagining that any of the dimensions of spacetime exist independently from the universe) the Big Bang, but also think that it's ultimately unknowable. If it's not a part of our universe and can't physically interact with our universe, it can't be known to us. It can exist without us ever knowing it or being able to know it. It may as well not exist at that point, though. I can call it whatever I want and attribute any properties I want to it and it doesn't matter because it never affects our universe.
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 10:29 am
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:08 am to Tigear
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Why can't God & a Big Bang BOTH be true?
In other words, if we change the semantics of the story of Genesis, does it make it any less amazing? The story has been retold and reinterpreted many, many times anyway.
As a christian and a scientist, I've always felt that God keeps revealing the wonders of his creation as we are able to understand and comprehend it.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:10 am to TigerstuckinMS
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If it's not a part of our universe and can't physically interact with our universe, it can't be known to us.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:12 am to Darth_Vader
Who the hell really cares?
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