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re: How will young people ever get ahead?
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:00 am to Ridgewalker
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:00 am to Ridgewalker
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Become an Electrician, a Plumber, HVAC tradesman.
We've been over this on this board. Sure, there's opportunities, but these jobs generally start out really low paid and the working conditions are trash and very tough on the body.
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Or go into Engineering. A co-workers kid just signed onto an 80K gig in Engineering right out of school.
90% of people can't do the math getting an engineering degree requires.
Kids can barely do algebra much less cal 1 which is pretty damn easy.
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Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:01 am to 777Tiger
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maybe the advice isn't as realistic these days, what us older folks are saying is that was a viable avenue when we were young and starting out,
Thats all Im saying really.
The reality is, we got some different challenges than your generation. We're actually figuring it out (older millennials arent behind where boomers/gen-x were at this point in thier lives).
I cant wait for TD in 2053 when the youngs are blaming me for shite.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:01 am to LSUfan4444
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Americans don’t know how to live within their means. Travel ball, car payments, fast food, soft drinks, manicures, alcohol, cigarettes , new handbags, truck nuts and Air Jordan’s aren’t necessities in this country
There's plenty of young Americans that don't have kids old enough for travel ball, that don't smoke cigarettes, that don't purchase all those "new things" like you're describing.
And money is still tight. I guarantee some of y'all commenting on how they should save money and should do this or that are old enough that you're living in houses that are paid off, with cars that are paid off, and etc.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:02 am to JGTiger
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Had this conversation the other day. One thing that stuck out to me that multiple people said was "the small town revival" needs to happen. In my area, the small towns are shrinking while the city/metro area continue to grow. The home prices, cost of living, and blue collar jobs are still in the small towns. Maybe not thousands of jobs, but hundreds.
Seems like more WFH would facilitate this too.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:03 am to Ridgewalker
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Become an Electrician, a Plumber, HVAC tradesman. Or go into Engineering. A co-workers kid just signed onto an 80K gig in Engineering right out of school.
Where does he live? Because 80k in Kentucky is barely a drop in the bucket in other areas due to COL.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:03 am to fallguy_1978
I have a 67 Olds 442 and a 68 Chrysler 300 - both are fine drivers. I am getting ready to start on a 76 GMC half ton. It's going to be my old man truck. frick all this EV and electronics, I will be good to go when Mad Max time arrives.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:04 am to Allthatfades
Current strategy: die before my term life expires.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:04 am to el Gaucho
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I’m a master carpenter and journeyman electrician/plumber while working a full time job. I’m a millenial
I am not aware of a state anywhere in the United States which will issue a permit to a journeyman electrician or plumber. They either have to have a Masters or a Contractor's license. Journeyman is a trade controlled certification that allows the person to peform the typical job of the trade under the supervision of either a master or a licensed contractor. Anyone with some evidence of experience can sit a journeyman test in most jurisdictions....to sit the masters or contractors exam the licensing board, comprised of established contractors in the trade, must approve the application for sitting the exam and it is not possible, again in my experience, to have that application approved without years of experience and references from licensed contractors and usually professional engineers in the specific discipline ie electrical, mechanical, civil. I am sure there are areas where it is possible but even in jurisdictions which still alow home owner permits, getting rarer and rarer, many have a test the homeowner must pass in order to do work on their own home and when the inspector comes they best have their ducks in a row because the inspector generally is a tradesman, most likely licensed, and has a vested interest in limiting competition in their trade. Of course this is not so in all cases but it is not rare...what is rare is a jurisdiction that will allow a home owner to do anything with plumbing that involves a public water system or any thing electrically which requires the meter to be pulled. And finally, at the end of the day, your going to need an occupancy permit and inspection and even with a well and a septic tank that usually means a license was involved somewhere along the line...and not a journeyman certificate.
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The realtor concealed termite damage from the bank on my first house so I could get a loan
So a realtor had to commit a pretty serious crime, in most states, in order for you to obtain financing. Again, I ain't doubting this happened what I would suggest is that it is not the norm and not a viable solution for most people.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:05 am to Duke
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The reality is, we got some different challenges than your generation. We're actually figuring it out (older millennials arent behind where boomers/gen-x were at this point in thier lives).
agreed, I find myself pondering the OP's question a lot too, rules have definitely changed but I have confidence that the young'n's will figure it out and be just fine
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I cant wait for TD in 2053 when the youngs are blaming me for shite.
I hope I'm still here! I'm going to pile on like a motherfricker!!!
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:06 am to Ridgewalker
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Become an Electrician, a Plumber, HVAC tradesman.
This is actually damn good advice. I know numerous immigrants (legal, feel it must be said here), who are now very well off. Most couldn't even speak the language when they got here. All started at the bottom of these jobs and are now business owners. Most say the same thing. Lack of competition in the market area has helped them tremendously. These jobs, at least from the business owner's side, have dropped off over the years as we have pushed college educated jobs onto our kids in the hopes that they will become more successful than we were.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:06 am to LSUfan4444
In addition, Americans are mostly fat and apathetic and lazy. Along with being sidetracked with stupid shite.
Look at France right now and their response to tyranny. While we fight over which bathroom to use.
Look at France right now and their response to tyranny. While we fight over which bathroom to use.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:08 am to Duke
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I cant wait for TD in 2053 when the youngs are blaming me for shite.
AGI will happen way before this, which will change everything.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:08 am to SquatchDawg
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My first job out of college was $30k back in 1996. A kid bagging groceries at Publix makes $15/hr now. Do the math.
quote:are you an idiot?
SquatchDawg
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:08 am to 777Tiger
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that was said tongue in cheek and I wouldn't even attempt to try and work on my truck anymore, but every once in a while I'll take something as a challenge and YT it multiple times and do it just to say I did it, the last time I recall doing it was on an F-250 that I had and the power window motor went out on the driver's side window, that wasn't so hard, and that truck was a diesel and there was something weird about getting to a second filter that had to be changed maybe annually, don't exactly recall, but it was a little pricey to have it done and I googled that and did it a couple of times, my new truck? fageddabowdit
ETA: now I remember, it was changing the fuel filters, one required a special socket and the fitting to get to it was beneath the driver's seat under carriage
With the right motivation and some gumption there ain'tmuch that can't be learned on YT...I agree completely.
I still do almost all of our vehicle maintenance because I can't find a mechanic which is better than me...and I am a LOUSY mechanic...but I will be damned if I am going to pay someone $100 bucks an hour to do something and have to have it done again or do it myself when it is done wrong. My wife bitches about it all the time, saying "we make enough money to pay someone to do that"...and I agree...I'd much rather be fishing or watching TV or jerking off than lying under a damned car but it ain't the money its finding someone who knows what the hell they are doing...
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:09 am to CaptSpaulding
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Yes, a car that you should pay cash for may require maintenance. It could eat up some of your savings. That would suck. But are you really saying that the better option is to sign up to pay $400/month for 6-7 years instead?
A car you should pay cash for....even a 10+ year old pos will cost you 10k these days. Where you getting the 10k liquid in this little scenario?
Like many things on the OT, the 2k beater than everyone thinks you should buy is really like 8k with 2k plus in deferred maintenance.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:13 am to AwgustaDawg
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"we make enough money to pay someone to do that"..
my dad was a depression era baby and worked his way from poverty to being very financially well off, when I was a kid he would never relent and say something was beyond repair, he would continually repair things until you would need a jury rigger's owners manual to try to use the tools, appliances, etc., I would say "dad, why don't you just get a new one?" he'd say son, it didn't come easy and I'm not letting go of it easily
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:14 am to AwgustaDawg
One of the benefits of living in rural Alabama is that there is little zoning to be found. Same for building permits. Here you can build your own place without a building permit.
I get that many places don't allow that, but it is possible to get a permit to build with timbers and logs if you get an engineer to sign off on the structure. These houses have stood the test of time and are often rated
10 times more sturdy than a comparable stick frame.
This is not a path that most can take, however, in the rural areas of the south, it can be done with a little persistence. This is just one path that I can offer someone that I'm most familiar with. Others will point in a different direction. Their way may appeal to others. There is no right or wrong in finding a way out of this mess. Good luck.
I get that many places don't allow that, but it is possible to get a permit to build with timbers and logs if you get an engineer to sign off on the structure. These houses have stood the test of time and are often rated
10 times more sturdy than a comparable stick frame.
This is not a path that most can take, however, in the rural areas of the south, it can be done with a little persistence. This is just one path that I can offer someone that I'm most familiar with. Others will point in a different direction. Their way may appeal to others. There is no right or wrong in finding a way out of this mess. Good luck.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:15 am to AwgustaDawg
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most folks under about 40 or so don't know how to change their own oil, let alone replace a transmission or a motor.
There is no need for an age qualifier here lol.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:18 am to BugAC
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Stow it away in a scrooge mcduck vault?
Uhh yea a shitload of them have been doing exactly that lol. The biggest and most profitable companies these days have been stockpiling cash and cash equivalents for years.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:22 am to DeafJam73
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Lol You can’t compare 1996 $30k to today. It’s not even remotely the same. And here in lies the problem. The older generation talks like as if the circumstances are so similar, and they just aren’t.
Yep. Surprised we didn't get the, "Just walk into the office you want to work in and get a job on a handshake" spiel.
This notion that everything is the same as it was 50-60 years ago and people are just lazy and/or have too high of expectations is non-sense.
I admittedly should be further along financially than I am now, but I've made right my past wrongs and trying to buy a house in this market is insane. I have no inheritance coming and zero money from my family/parents.
Which is fine (I'm glad others have that opportunity), but housing costs with current mortgage rates, insurance and property taxes are astronomical. Even with a decent down payment, it's still an insane monthly expense/investment.
I don't see how it can be compared to those growing up in the 80's & 90's. I don't recall ever seeing pricing on damn near everything so high.
Hell, my car insurance even went up 30% over the last 2 years and that's with no claims.
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