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Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:30 am to Prominentwon
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What’s the downside of taking the vaccine?
we dont know, that is the downside of taking the vaccine
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:30 am to shell01
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I work for a company conducting a LOT of COVID trials. It's been absolutely amazing to see what we can accomplish when we work together with a common goal and prioritizations.
I'm really anxious to see how this will affect the research and implementation of other mRNA vaccines. Particularly the ones in cancer trials.
My Mom passed before she could enroll in a trial, but a successful mRNA vaccine for COVID-19 could springboard others and that would be huge for those with advanced cancers.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:31 am to TigerBlood17
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Seriously, Its made in a lab.
Mixing genetic molecules with fats and salts into a cocktail to inject into your body is not natural regardless if the ingredients are found in nature or already exist in the body.
You consume genetically modified materials every single day.
Come on.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:35 am to omarlittle
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I was definitely rooting for him to fast-track
The president can't fast track a drug. The FDA does that. And there are a few different designations drugs can receive that will expedite their review and approval. But that does not mean steps are skipped.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:38 am to TigerBlood17
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Could this same logic be applied to society as a whole. If the vulnerable population takes the vaccine and the non-vulnerable population doesn't, then everyone would be safe, right? The vulnerable pop would be safe because they took the vaccine, and the non-vulnerable pop is not vulnerable to begin with. In theory, the virus would then just be passed around through the non-vulnerable pop but no one would be seriously affected.
No. The vaccine isn’t 100% effective, much like nearly every other vaccine you take.
It’s ultimately a math problem. If everyone took the vaccine, and the vaccine works for 95 out of every 100 people, those other 5 are going to have a very difficult time spreading it to others.
If only half the population takes the vaccine, 52.5% of the population would still be susceptible to spreading the virus (100% of those unvaccinated and 5% of the 50% thet took it).
That’s a very simple, yet mostly accurate explanation.
Getting a vaccine is not about protecting yourself for the vast majority of vaccines. It’s about helping protect everyone. Everyone should decide for themselves what they’ll do, but the susceptible population is counting on the unsusceptible population to help.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:40 am to TigerBlood17
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I usually dont like to put anything unnatural in my body
My god.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:42 am to Topisawtiger
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It was rushed. You have a sad life.
I don’t even know what this means.
It was rushed? Is this the first vaccine in history to be rushed? This has never happened before?
With a possibility of a massive lawsuit if things went terribly wrong, the FDA just said “frick it, let’s see what happens! YOLO!” Same goes for the 40,000 test subjects these vaccines were used on.....
I apologize that I don’t get my theories and conclusions from Facebook and Instagram memes.
‘Murica! frick yeah!
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:42 am to TigerBlood17
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Mixing genetic molecules with fats and salts into a cocktail to inject into your body is not natural regardless if the ingredients are found in nature or already exist in the body.
Yet we’ve been doing it for decades and it has saved millions and millions of lives
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:43 am to TigerBlood17
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Mixing genetic molecules with fats and salts into a cocktail to inject into your body is not natural regardless if the ingredients are found in nature or already exist in the body.
I’m sure you just eat organic food and drink out of natural springs every day
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:44 am to TigerBlood17
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Mixing genetic molecules with fats and salts into a cocktail to inject into your body is not natural regardless if the ingredients are found in nature or already exist in the body.
What is your definition of natural?
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:45 am to Salmon
quote:Yea that was good stuff.
thank you for the legit info
Would be great if the "it was rushed" crowd could rationally read that and change their tune. I doubt it'll change one person's mind, but nonetheless, that post gave a great breakdown of how we were able to get this done so quickly.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:45 am to supatigah
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What’s the downside of taking the vaccine?
we dont know, that is the downside of taking the vaccine
We don’t know the downside of COVID-19 either.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:46 am to crazy4lsu
What is your definition of natural? Im not Webster. I dont make definitions. Look it up.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:46 am to TigerBlood17
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Could this same logic be applied to society as a whole. If the vulnerable population takes the vaccine and the non-vulnerable population doesn't, then everyone would be safe, right?
Wrong.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:50 am to Cosmo
Are y'all really trying to argue that this does not happen every single day. Good luck with the vaccine guys. I hope this doesn't happen to you. Ill take my chances with a symptomless virus.
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If you have suffered side effects after taking medication, you may be entitled to compensation.
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TDF HIV Drugs Lawsuit. Open. ...
Elmiron Lawsuit. Johnson & Johnson company Janssen Pharmaceuticals is facing lawsuits alleging a link between its drug Elmiron and a dangerous eye condition known as Retinal Maculopathy.
Zantac Lawsuit. Open. ...
Belviq Lawsuit. ...
Valsartan Lawsuit. ...
Zostavax Lawsuit. ...
Abilify Lawsuit. ...
Benicar Lawsuit.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:52 am to shell01
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Not just government inefficiency, but inefficiency in the whole clinical research machine. I've been in the business for 20 years and I am DAMN PROUD of what we have accomplished this year.
Collaboration between government, industry, and healthcare, along with open check books, is what has gotten us treatment and vaccine options that are proven safe and effective in record time.
- Prior to initiation of clinical trials, the sponsor must submit a complete packet of information to FDA for review. The FDA then has 30 days to review an IND. For COVID studies, sponsors submitted information and FDA reviewed on a rolling basis, with dialogue and questions throughout. This resulted in an IND approval in as little as hours after the final piece of info. Time saved: at least 1 month
- site selection and contracting typically takes 6 months minimum. Lawyers argue over every clause in a contract, business managers negotiate how much the hospital will be paid to conduct the study. And none of this usually starts until the IND is approved by the FDA ... We had sites ready to go the day the IND was approved. Time saved: 6 months
- IRBs are a committee, local to a hospital and/or central commercial group, charged with oversight of patient safety and rights. They have their own policies and meeting calendars, submit documents a month in advance, mtgs twice a month, if we have questions we'll re-review at the next meeting, blah blah. For the early COVID trials, IRBs threw all that out the window, reviewed the submission as a matter of priority, open dialogue with sponsor to answer questions, update ICFs, etc. We were able to open sites to recruitment days after IRB submission, not months.
- recruitment went amazingly fast because the disease is so prevalent. For a treatment study you need sick patients, and for a vaccine study you not only need enough volunteers, but then you need enough of those volunteers to actually come down with the disease being treated. With COVID cases still sky high, the events needed to reach statistical significance occurred in record time.
The only thing done differently is EUA based on a mean follow-up period of 2 months vs the 6 months that would be required for full approval. That's it.
Note that there IS 6 month data on some subjects (the Phase 1 participants) and that the phase 3 trials are going to continue in to collect safety and efficacy data for 2 years.
I work for a company conducting a LOT of COVID trials. It's been absolutely amazing to see what we can accomplish when we work together with a common goal and prioritizations.
Can we fricking auto-pin this post in every single vaccine thread as the #2 post behind the OP? Chicken, write the damn code.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:53 am to TigerBlood17
quote:That's fine, more than fair.
Good luck with the vaccine guys. I hope this doesn't happen to you. Ill take my chances with a symptomless virus.
But in 2021, if we reach a point where the government is urging more to get the vaccine and telling us we can't lift restrictions without more getting the vaccine, instead of bitching just know that we won't be able to lift restrictions because of you and people with that mindset. Again, not even saying what's right or wrong, just saying that if it comes to that in 2021, that'll be the reason we can't lift restrictions.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:53 am to lsupride87
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No full stadiums and restaurants through all of 2021
C'mon man, you know as well as the rest of us that they aren't going to allow full stadiums and restaurants no matter what. They've already told us that.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:54 am to TigerBlood17
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Seriously, Its made in a lab.
Mixing genetic molecules with fats and salts into a cocktail to inject into your body is not natural regardless if the ingredients are found in nature or already exist in the body.
*crushes 6 diet cokes per day*
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