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Posted on 4/9/17 at 6:54 pm to Breesus
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This. Take a generation raised by selfish single parent bumble and tinder daters and the generation after that will probably want stability and self responsibility.
This x 1000
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Divorce laws and welfare need to be reformed badly.
Absolutely. Marriage for men has become a liability
Posted on 4/9/17 at 7:47 pm to Slippy
More women are working than ever. They don't need a man to support them. Did you know that 40-50 years ago, a married woman had to get her husband's permission to get a charge card?
If two people both work and can support themselves, marriage is almost a losing deal. At the higher income levels, you get killed in taxes by being married. In community property states like LA, comingling assets just makes things messy.
About the only benefit to marriage - and this is huge - is to have children. But even then, it's not necessary.
If two people both work and can support themselves, marriage is almost a losing deal. At the higher income levels, you get killed in taxes by being married. In community property states like LA, comingling assets just makes things messy.
About the only benefit to marriage - and this is huge - is to have children. But even then, it's not necessary.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 7:48 pm to tigerinthebueche
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Marriage isn't dead. It might be in a down cycle but like all things cyclical, it will trend up. No different than liberalism, conservatism, secularism or spiritualism. It all trends. I think people have a tendency to look at things in relation to their own existence and not from a historical perspective. marriage may evolve, but it won't go extinct.
Marriage rates are cyclical? Any stats to prove that or did you just make it up?
Posted on 4/9/17 at 7:53 pm to Slippy
We're moving closer and closer to European culture as a whole. They get married later in life than earlier. That's what I expect the younger generation to do as well. But older generations will look at them at 27 years, see them not married and partying, and conclude that they must have devalued marriage.
They just don't have any incentive to get married young and have kids. Medicine has advanced enough for women to have kids safely in their 30s. It's smarter for people to establish their careers before settling into a marriage with children.
They just don't have any incentive to get married young and have kids. Medicine has advanced enough for women to have kids safely in their 30s. It's smarter for people to establish their careers before settling into a marriage with children.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 8:22 pm to Slippy
It's the bedrock of a functioning society. I'm happy to see how many people want to pretend it's otherwise. It just insures my kids will kick arse down the line. Keep it up.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 8:26 pm to Slippy
is not dead, but its def declining
to suggest otherwise, is pure delusion
in 15-20 years i doubt itd be the norm
having the govt in your love life? lol what a silly concept
to suggest otherwise, is pure delusion
in 15-20 years i doubt itd be the norm
having the govt in your love life? lol what a silly concept
Posted on 4/9/17 at 8:28 pm to Slippy
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Is marriage as an institution dead?
Heck no.
Anyone who says yes had bad parents.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 8:29 pm to tigerinthebueche
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It might be in a down cycle but like all things cyclical
lol another stupid meme
"all things go in cycles"
no they dont, and whomever told you that, was a delusionist
Posted on 4/9/17 at 8:31 pm to pwejr88
I'm a man in great marriage, and I'll never understand men that bitch about marriage/divorce. First, there is a reason each party to the marriage leave with roughly equal assets upon divorce.
Second, and most importantly, every single man that bitches about divorce/marriage at one point made a conscious decision to get married damn well knowing divorce is a possible outcome and everything that comes with it. No one makes you do it. If you don't want the risks that come with it, simply don't do it. No one is making you.
Second, and most importantly, every single man that bitches about divorce/marriage at one point made a conscious decision to get married damn well knowing divorce is a possible outcome and everything that comes with it. No one makes you do it. If you don't want the risks that come with it, simply don't do it. No one is making you.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 8:43 pm to Slippy
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Legal marriage is a diabolical leverage game in the United States. I'm just being honest. Devoid of religious significance or the idea of love, marriage is nothing but a awful contract that you shouldnt sign. Because you start out loving each other, then 2 years later, you're just building a case against one another. For a hypothetical court date that may or may not happen.
-Dave Chappelle
pretty much says it all
This post was edited on 4/9/17 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 4/9/17 at 8:58 pm to Slippy
It's probably going to keep declining, because too many people today (men and women) are selfish and marriage at its core isn't for selfish people.
But I'm married and happy just like my parents and their parents and their parents before them on both sides. In fact, neither my wife or myself have no grandparents (no matter the generation) who went through a divorce. My kids are raised in a loving, positive and structured environment helping ensure their chances at becoming great members of society, and finding a marriage partner for life. They can continue on my family's excellence over those who have their priorities mixed up and/or lack the skills to identify and keep a mate they love and adore for life. Protip: it's not that hard if you don't marry like an idiot.
I realize that sounds condescending as hell but it's truly how I feel.
But, men and women both are bitches these days, so marriage will steadily decline. There's no saving it now. People who are married will be the exception now and that's probably bad for society on several different levels.
But I'm married and happy just like my parents and their parents and their parents before them on both sides. In fact, neither my wife or myself have no grandparents (no matter the generation) who went through a divorce. My kids are raised in a loving, positive and structured environment helping ensure their chances at becoming great members of society, and finding a marriage partner for life. They can continue on my family's excellence over those who have their priorities mixed up and/or lack the skills to identify and keep a mate they love and adore for life. Protip: it's not that hard if you don't marry like an idiot.
I realize that sounds condescending as hell but it's truly how I feel.
But, men and women both are bitches these days, so marriage will steadily decline. There's no saving it now. People who are married will be the exception now and that's probably bad for society on several different levels.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 9:05 pm to Upperdecker
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Millenials will grow up and get married. Not at the same rate as past generations, but hopefully they won't divorce at the same rate either. Millenials aren't the ones breaking tradition, the 50% divorce rate of their parents' generation did that
Well put.
For the record, I'm a happily married millennial. Think more of my peers are just more cautious about the institution of marriage as a whole (after seeing our parents make so many mistakes as a whole).
Posted on 4/9/17 at 9:22 pm to TigernMS12
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knowing divorce is a possible outcome and everything that comes with it.
If divorce is an option it becomes an inevitability.
This post was edited on 4/9/17 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 4/9/17 at 10:10 pm to rocket31
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having the govt in your love life? lol what a silly concept
This is a good point. The institution of marriage as an idea is great... but government sponsorship of it is a bit weird.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 4:09 am to Hammertime
nothing has changed after the marriage, it's it has changed than it was not true love at all
Posted on 4/10/17 at 4:42 am to Slippy
Well lets hope not. Without family structure you end up with a bunch of inbreeding.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 7:48 am to Slippy
The modern mindset of "If it's traditional, it's probably worthless," is going to be the death of western civilization. Our forefathers spent centuries figuring out what sorts of things are necessary to make society function, but we think we are so much smarter than they are that we are tearing all of those things down, and giving each other smug looks all the while. Idiots.
Guess what, knuckleheads? Marriage doesn't exist because of Christianity or superstition or any of that shite. It exists because, very early on, people realized that men, left to their own devices, do not have the strong parental instinct that women do, and therefore they tend to not stick around to finish the job once the fun part of making kids is done. This is detrimental to society, so forcing men to stick around and take care of their families was one of the first societal controls people established.
Now we think we are better than that and that the institution is a stupid and obsolete one, so we make it impermanent and easy to get out of, and remove the social stigma of divorce. Well, guess what happens? Men revert to being men, and don't stick around to take care of their kids, or women get tired of the man they've got and go looking for another one, or think they can do without one. The result is more and more kids raised who don't understand the male role in society. Then the same people who lament the decline of masculinity in American culture will talk about how stupid and outdated marriage is, while ignoring the fact that one causes the other. It's almost like those damn ignorant ancients knew a thing or two after all.
Guess what, knuckleheads? Marriage doesn't exist because of Christianity or superstition or any of that shite. It exists because, very early on, people realized that men, left to their own devices, do not have the strong parental instinct that women do, and therefore they tend to not stick around to finish the job once the fun part of making kids is done. This is detrimental to society, so forcing men to stick around and take care of their families was one of the first societal controls people established.
Now we think we are better than that and that the institution is a stupid and obsolete one, so we make it impermanent and easy to get out of, and remove the social stigma of divorce. Well, guess what happens? Men revert to being men, and don't stick around to take care of their kids, or women get tired of the man they've got and go looking for another one, or think they can do without one. The result is more and more kids raised who don't understand the male role in society. Then the same people who lament the decline of masculinity in American culture will talk about how stupid and outdated marriage is, while ignoring the fact that one causes the other. It's almost like those damn ignorant ancients knew a thing or two after all.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 7:55 am to Slippy
no
Posted on 4/10/17 at 8:18 am to Slippy
Hook up culture has no affect on marriage. What is killing marriage is:
1. Divorce: divorce laws are heavily biased in favor of women and the process is very expensive. Women can initiate the process with basically zero warning or fault and get most of the money. It's become a very risky proposition for men, so many men avoid it for that reason.
2. The economy: people tend to put off marriage until they are stable economically. If you're pulling down a barista's salary, you're probably not going to get married right now. The job market for recent college grads is pretty shaky, so until they get more established in their careers, they will put off marriage.
3. Student loan debt. This one is linked to the second one. 2 people saddled with loan debt struggling to find decent paying "entry level" jobs that don't require the dreaded "3-5 years experience" aren't likely to be ready to settle down. They already each have a second rent payment worth of debt. They don't need to be spitting out baby's right now behind a white picket fense.
1. Divorce: divorce laws are heavily biased in favor of women and the process is very expensive. Women can initiate the process with basically zero warning or fault and get most of the money. It's become a very risky proposition for men, so many men avoid it for that reason.
2. The economy: people tend to put off marriage until they are stable economically. If you're pulling down a barista's salary, you're probably not going to get married right now. The job market for recent college grads is pretty shaky, so until they get more established in their careers, they will put off marriage.
3. Student loan debt. This one is linked to the second one. 2 people saddled with loan debt struggling to find decent paying "entry level" jobs that don't require the dreaded "3-5 years experience" aren't likely to be ready to settle down. They already each have a second rent payment worth of debt. They don't need to be spitting out baby's right now behind a white picket fense.
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