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Posted on 7/7/24 at 2:40 pm to Jcorye1
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Is that in the law? Doesn't sound very legal.
As a general rule, initial aggressors aren't allowed to claim self defense, even if they start getting the "worse" of the conflict. You don't move from aggressor to defender just because you're losing.
Now, again, without seeing the beginning of the fight, we have no way of knowing which way that would cut here. Green shirt might have been defending himself the whole way.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 2:41 pm to Jcorye1
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In many conservative southern jurisdictions, this will likely be considered self defense, in NYC, who knows?
Don't live where people who disagree with you hate you with every fiber of their being. I loved Denver, but I left when it became apparent if anything happened, they'd cheerily throw me in jail for the rest of my life.
Even in the south, you can be prosecuted by those who have political agendas. In the situation in the video, if that was a white guy and he shot the attacker in Jxn, MS there's a decent chance he'd be prosecuted. At the least legal fees would be in the 10s, if not 100s, of thousands of dollars. In neighboring Rankin County, the shooter would get an award and be hailed as a community hero.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 2:42 pm to Joshjrn
I knew that, just didn't realize it could be called "menacing". I don't think any of us, without further details, can know if he started this. Would it be menacing if there were multiple combatants striking the individual and he displayed the gun to get them to quit, assuming he didn't start it?
Posted on 7/7/24 at 2:49 pm to Jcorye1
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I knew that, just didn't realize it could be called "menacing". I don't think any of us, without further details, can know if he started this. Would it be menacing if there were multiple combatants striking the individual and he displayed the gun to get them to quit, assuming he didn't start it?
"Menacing" isn't really a concept that gets much, if any, play in Louisiana law.
Actually, just googled it. New York's "menacing" is functionally identical to Louisiana's concept of "assault".
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Posted on 7/7/24 at 3:35 pm to BigPerm30
quote:Because he already had his gun out and was about to shoot the other people…
Dude got hit from behind.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 3:36 pm to Falco
Life wasn't in danger? Dude snuck him from the back. Hit your head in the ground and you're dead in many cases. He acted in self defense. Only fools say otherwise.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 3:37 pm to Jake88
quote:BECAUSE HE HAD HIS GUN OUT ABOUT TO SHOOT ANOTHER PERSON
Life wasn't in danger? Dude snuck him from the back.
Man points gun at your wife. You him in head. He then shoots you
He innocent on self defense?
This post was edited on 7/7/24 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 7/7/24 at 3:38 pm to lsupride87
You see what happened before the clip? He starts that on the ground.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 3:41 pm to Jake88
The man in green started the physical fight. He then pulled his gun before man in black punches him in head
He has ZERO self defense claim
He has ZERO self defense claim
Posted on 7/7/24 at 3:44 pm to Falco
Non gun owning American checking in. Not only 100% justified, but the man stopped further violence and broke up the fight immediately
Posted on 7/7/24 at 3:45 pm to lsupride87
You can't see who started what. I slowly went through it. The gunman is already engaged with another when the crowd parts for the video.
This post was edited on 7/7/24 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 7/7/24 at 3:45 pm to Falco
Yes
Posted on 7/7/24 at 3:46 pm to lsupride87
quote:We don't know if he was justified or not in pulling his gun out.
Because he already had his gun out and was about to shoot the other people…
It's inconclusive based on the OP video as to whether it's self defense.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 3:47 pm to lsupride87
quote:What did my wife do to him first?
Man points gun at your wife. You him in head. He then shoots you
He innocent on self defense?
Posted on 7/7/24 at 3:47 pm to shel311
According to “black twitter”, two guys in green threw punches at other guys. Fight starts.
Guy in green goes to ground and grabs his gun. Guy in black not in original fight hits the gunman. Gunman starts shooting
Apparently there weren’t any major injures either
It’s black on black so don’t think they would have an agenda here
Guy in green goes to ground and grabs his gun. Guy in black not in original fight hits the gunman. Gunman starts shooting
Apparently there weren’t any major injures either
It’s black on black so don’t think they would have an agenda here
This post was edited on 7/7/24 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 7/7/24 at 3:48 pm to lsupride87
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The man in green started the physical fight.
You can see that in the video posted?
Posted on 7/7/24 at 3:48 pm to Falco
He had the gun out at the begining of that when he was already in a scuffle. If you are defending someone with a gun you dont engage in wrestling, you point and shoot. Those facts lead me to believe that he pulled the gun mid scuffle and, seeing as he wasn't the only person being attacked, was involved in some level of initial aggression.
Therefore, lacking any more evidence for now, my ruling is not self defense.
Therefore, lacking any more evidence for now, my ruling is not self defense.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 3:48 pm to lsupride87
quote:If you have access to the full video why not just post it or at least confirm that you've seen more?
The man in green started the physical fight
If you did see a full video, you're just confusing by people by not saying that, because what you're saying is factually incorrect if we base it on the only video we are all debating.
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