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Posted on 4/16/26 at 2:04 pm to
Posted by fareplay
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 2:04 pm to
Remember after 2 years of life insurance, suicide is covered
Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 2:06 pm to
Posted by Klark Kent
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 2:17 pm to
Grieving parents demand changes after 26-year-old son euthanized under controversial law

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The grieving parents of a 26-year-old man are speaking out against Canada’s medical assistance in dying (MAID) laws, arguing the system failed to protect their "vulnerable" son from being euthanized, despite a history of mental illness. Kiano Vafaeian was euthanized on Dec. 30, 2025, in British Columbia. His family says he was diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes at age 4 and began struggling with mental health after a car accident at 17. His mother, Margaret Marsilla of Ontario, said his depression was often seasonal, yet he became "obsessed" with MAID after losing vision in one eye in 2022.

In 2022, after a Toronto doctor initially approved Vafaeian’s request, the family launched a public pressure campaign on social media to voice their opposition. The outcry led the doctor to withdraw approval. While Vafaeian was initially angry, his family said he showed signs of improvement over the following year, even moving in with them in 2024.

"He tried his best when he was in one of those good highs of life," Marsilla said. "Then winter, fall started coming around, he started changing and then everything that we had worked for from spring and summertime just disappeared… he would start talking about MAID again."

The family said Vafaeian was rejected by multiple doctors in Ontario before he sought out Dr. Ellen Wiebe, a prominent MAID provider, in British Columbia. Marsilla believes Wiebe "coached" her son on what to say to meet the criteria for "Track 2" patients — those whose natural deaths are not reasonably imminent.

"We believe that she was coaching him... on how to deteriorate his body and what she can possibly approve him for and what she can get away with approving him for," Marsilla said. "Because if he had spoken back in 2024, and he was a good candidate for approving MAID, she would have done it right away, but she didn't."

Vafaeian’s parents say they were not notified of the approval and only learned of his death days after it occurred. They noted his medical records did not substantiate the "severe peripheral neuropathy" listed on his death certificate as a qualifying factor





Posted by SouthEndzoneTiger
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 2:28 pm to
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This VS wasting away in a hospice environment while your family watches you die. Frick that! Canada got this right.


If only it were just this. Are you OK with them killing a physically healthy 20 something year old with mental issues? Because they did that.
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 2:29 pm
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 2:41 pm to
If he was that mentally ill, someone else would have had his power of attorney. So who is the "they" that killed him in this scenario? If it was the govt, no, i don't like that. If it was his caregiver or guardian, who am I to judge? I don't know what they are going thru.

But if we're using personal/singular anecdotes, I watched a great man and WW2 vet whither from vibrancy to skeletor over the course of my childhood due to Parkinsons. He was a prisoner in his own body for well over 15 years and died in a nursing home, with his wife at his side, despite not a clue who she was.

Extreme examples always exist, but as a general rule, dying on your own terms is preferable to the all too common alternative.
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 2:43 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 2:50 pm to
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a physically healthy 20 something year old with


Kid had type I diabetes and had gone blind in one eye, which indicates it was rapidly progressing.
Posted by MKP2004
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 3:00 pm to
I have no issue this.

We do it with our pets when they have a terminal ailment, what is the difference when humans are diagnosed with one?
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 3:37 pm to
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Posted by evil cockroach
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 3:47 pm to
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Watching people lay in nursing home beds for years seems wrong.
I wonder where their children are?

“Honor you Father and Mother”
Posted by Snipe
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 3:52 pm to
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The road to hell is paved with good intentions.


I'm no longer certain it was ever for good intentions.

We've convinced a great portion of society that the value of a human life is only what one can produce. That death can and should be a viable alternative to difficult and discomfort. That you're value is diminished by the level of inconvenience you are to others.

It's truly a sad state of affairs.

There's a segment of elite society that have been saying for many years that we need population control and reduction. How do you make people buy into that?, especially when the people they are trying to convince are the very ones that the elites think need to be "controlled and reduced".

Seems like a good start would be to convince them that the human life experience is a hopeless unfulfilling, and simple optional.

Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 4:06 pm to
People are choosing on their own not being forced into it.

People are purposefully killed every day in hospice they just suffer and transfer their savings to medical/insurance companies before being allowed to die. Then we peacefully let them go through pain killers and OD'ing them until their breathing (or kidneys) shuts down. The humans remaining think they are doing the right thing but never consider it is just delayed euthanasia with a dose of suffering.
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 4:09 pm
Posted by farad
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 4:16 pm to


new food source...
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 4:17 pm
Posted by Snipe
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 5:00 pm to
There are plenty of instance of people being coerced into it, particularly people with mental health problems who are easily directed, even if not “forced”.

This post was edited on 4/17/26 at 10:56 am
Posted by Klark Kent
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 5:22 pm to
i posted an example of exactly that above, it was ignored.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 5:25 pm to
I have seen one sided stories of instances where their families didn't agree. Have not seen someone say they were talked into assisted suicide and didn't want to take part.
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 5:26 pm
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 5:25 pm to
Sounds very much like a certain northern European government circa 1933-1945.
Posted by Klark Kent
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 7:36 pm to
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I have seen one sided stories of instances where their families didn't agree. Have not seen someone say they were talked into assisted suicide and didn't want to take part.


Fair. But doesn’t it strike you as troubling when doctors have what feels like a built-in incentive to steer already vulnerable, mentally ill patients toward euthanasia?

To me, it raises similar concerns to situations where minors are encouraged toward irreversible medical interventions despite underlying confusion or distress. Thankfully, there’s been growing pushback on that front here in the U.S.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 7:39 pm to
quote:

doesn’t it strike you as troubling when doctors have what feels like a built-in incentive to steer already vulnerable, mentally ill patients toward euthanasia?


Would you say American doctors have incentive to keep you alive and suffering?

Maybe doctors (vast vast majority) have ethics.

And again. If you aren't suicidal you won't be talked into killing yourself.
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 7:40 pm
Posted by Bullfrog
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 7:42 pm to
TBH, it could really help with the homeless problem.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
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74556 posts
Posted on 4/16/26 at 7:46 pm to
There’s no evidence that Kiano Vafaeian previously attempted suicide.
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