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re: Let Canada be a cautionary tale - Euthanasia edition
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:14 am to StrongOffer
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:14 am to StrongOffer
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The amount of pro-Euthanasia people already in this thread is appalling
They're conveniently (I hope) ignoring my point that It started out as aid for the terminally ill and now a 16 year old who is depressed because her boyfriend left her can request euthanasia and likely be approved.
All the government that is running the system seems to care about is lessening the overall burden of cost and maybe selling some organs along the way.
And this is relatively new in Canada. Imagine in 20 or 30 years. If this is acceptable then it's not hard to imagine a time when your life is valuated by a government entity and the life or death decision is taken out of your hand.
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:16 am to StrongOffer
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The amount of pro-Euthanasia people already in this thread is appalling. It's evil
Can you elaborate? Who suffers the most from a planned euthanasia? Why is it "evil"?
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:19 am to faraway
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get on your knees and pray for Christ to change your mindset
Jesus wasn't explicitly against suicide.
Even God seems alright with it
Philippians 1:23
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 11:23 am
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:27 am to fightin tigers
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Versus the US method of keeping someone on life support then killing them with morphine and labeling it as pain management.
My father was diagnosed with throat cancer 2 years ago. He was 84 at the time, has dementia but not bad, diabetic, has had prostate cancer treatment 3 times in the last 26 years, is more or less bed ridden and incontinent. His doctors decided surgery was not an option as he was unlikely to survive being put to sleep for surgery. The options were to let the cancer run its course or radiation. He chose radiation....based in part on his doctors telling him that the treatment was almost without side effects and within a couple of weeks of the start or treatment he would get substantial relief from the pain and when the treatment was complete there was a high likelihood of his recovering fully and with no long term impact. He has NEVER gotten any relief from the pain, according to him, and was in horrendous pain during the treatment. He spent 6 months in a surgical rehab facility during and after completion of treatment and, the truly horrendous part, he has been on a feeding tube for the last 22 months...has not eaten and drank anything orally in nearly 2 years. No one told any of us this might happen...in fact, his entire medical team, told lead all of us to think the treatment was similar to that which he had undergone for prostate cancer. They never told us that he might wind up on a feeding tube. None of that was mentioned until he nearly died from dehydration about halfway through the treatment because he was unable to swallow. He has been through a hellish experience and decided about a year ago he was done and is now in in home hospice. It is unlikely, had any of his doctors told him he could wind up on a feeding tube for the rest of his life, that he'd have had the treatment. He would probably be dead now and his death would not have been an easy one BUT his life is as hard now, his pain is, according to him, at least as bad as it was before treatment and he is almost done. His doctors should not have ever even offered treatment as an option...he was not physical up to surgery and, as it turns out, according to the same doctors who said he wasn't, the radiation treatment for that sort of cancer is more demanding physically than surgery. Why they offered treatment is beyond me....I want to believe that it is due to their dedication to the healing arts....they fact that we can contact any one of about 8 doctors involved, today, 2 years after the fact, and they inevitably ask us how we know he had throat cancer, after they were all involved in treating it for the last 2 years, tells me that there are factors beyond patient care and most likely based on financial decisions which lead this group of doctors to treat a patient who was not up to it physically.
The truly galling part is we had never heard of in house hospice. They suggested it....after they destroyed the man's ability to eat or drink or take medication orally they say "well, in home hospice care is a good option". They went from "he isn't physically able to have surgery and the radiation treatment is basically no problem" to "radiation treatment is more demanding physically than surgery" and finally to "hospice is a good option"....in 2 years. They'd been more humane to have thumbcocked a .38 and put it to his temple and pull the trigger 2 years ago...but they wouldn't have been able to bill his insurance for that and that, at the end of the day, is the only thing that matters.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:28 am to fightin tigers
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Just say you aren't interested in it. Not that hard.
It’s pretty fricking disturbing that they’re pushing suicide as a solution to damn near every problem
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:41 am to upgrayedd
Yep. Informing patients of all their options should be avoided.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:52 am to Broke
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:52 am to StrongOffer
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The amount of pro-Euthanasia people already in this thread is appalling. It's evil and no-one wants to talk about the "doctors" who have killed more people than any serial killer in history.
Edit: It's horrible for the mental health and soul of those who go to work to kill people.
Something has happened to us as a culture and I'm not sure I understand where/how/why the shift has occurred but it's devastating and hopefully reversible. Because if not, I don't know what the eventual endgame is.
There are miracles at work in scientific human advancement happening every single day. One of my favorite companies is Neuralink, who has created a chip that essentially allows the brain to bypass where the nervous system may be failing. It aims to restore sight where eyes have failed, hearing where ears have failed, and on and on. There's trials literally RIGHT NOW where paralyzed people, Parkinson's patients, ALS affected people, blind people, deaf people - they're literally moving limbs that haven't moved in years. They're speaking thru vocal synthesis, they're going to eventually be able to see through imbedded cameras. Let's take ALS as an example that someone used in this thread, as somehow being some acceptable euthanasia circumstance. ALS is NOT an automatic death sentence. But moreover, there's things being created today that may eventually render it as treatable as anything.
I'm not sure if the majority of the pro-Euthanasia people here have kids, but the love I have for and feel from my kids is nothing short of miraculous to me. On the day that each of them were born, my life was absolutely forever changed and I was blessed with feeling more love I've ever felt. It was amazing. And living with them and raising them from here has been this overwhelming joy that every day, I try to explain to them through the INCREDIBLE GIFT of living my life! Of them living THEIR OWN lives!
The things that had to happen for me to be granted life here, for them to be given life here. It's a gift from God, no doubt. But even more, there's millions and millions of slight chances and occurrences that had to happen to be given life. We take it for granted, but every bit of it is this remarkable experience. The ups, downs... all of it.
I know some very fine and amazing people, some of them family, who have been wrecked through the suicide of a family member. It is absolutely awful watching them deal with this. The destruction of their entire family unit is forever wounded. I'm not kidding you. It's every single day, they wake up in these paused lives. These "what-if's" that will plague them every single day for the literal rest of their lives here. It's real pain. It's like, this flip-side of love that I just don't know how they can process it daily, hourly. Constant. I can't even imagine a world where this would happen to me. I see them carrying on and they do everything it takes to live but the entirety of their lives will have this undeniable void.
You are loved. You have always been loved. You will always be loved. There is no world where allowing someone to slip away on their "own terms" is therapeutic. Life is hard sometimes. It's unbearable sometimes. But fight for it. We CAN NOT become a society where it's just given up for this or for that. It is not human to not live.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 12:04 pm to Snipe
I'm very torn on Euthanasia. Not going lie, if I come down with something horrible like ALS, the thought would cross my mind. Also, if I got Alzheimer's, I'd hate for my family to spend everything I worked for to keep me alive when I don't know what's going on and don't know who they are.
On the other side, I think that it will eventually grow into something that allows it for any reason. Depression, just committed a heinous crime, etc. Just like we see with the trans thing and doctors giving out hormone therapy to kids without a parent consent, I see (like a another posted said) some high school kid getting euthanized without their parents knowledge because they broke up with their boyfriend.
On the other side, I think that it will eventually grow into something that allows it for any reason. Depression, just committed a heinous crime, etc. Just like we see with the trans thing and doctors giving out hormone therapy to kids without a parent consent, I see (like a another posted said) some high school kid getting euthanized without their parents knowledge because they broke up with their boyfriend.
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 4/16/26 at 12:11 pm to Snipe
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Euthanasia it the inevitable and predictable end game in a healthcare system controlled solely by a government.
I don't know if I buy this as being a govt issue. It seems to me that the private sector would be all in on euthanasia if it was allowed. They have an actual profit motive for it whereas the government is just spending tax dollars.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 12:53 pm to Giantkiller
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ALS is NOT an automatic death sentence.
What are you talking about?
ALS is incurable. Might there be a cure in the future? Perhaps, but right now, April 16, 2026, ALS is IN FACT a death sentence.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 1:16 pm to chryso
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I don't know if I buy this as being a govt issue. It seems to me that the private sector would be all in on euthanasia if it was allowed. They have an actual profit motive for it whereas the government is just spending tax dollars.
You would think, but then the evidence shows that the government run Social Medicare systems are the ones doing it and the private sector in America isn't using it's multi billion dollar lobby influence to push for euthanasia legislation.
The European legislation narrowly defeated a similar proposed bill recently but they won't hold it off for long.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 1:18 pm to Snipe
Most people already have the option of offing themselves if they really want to
Posted on 4/16/26 at 1:21 pm to N2cars
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You cant walk around SCSH without hearing an "ehh" or " aboot" every few minutes.
Sorry aboot that, ey bud?
Posted on 4/16/26 at 1:23 pm to riverparish
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On the other side, I think that it will eventually grow into something that allows it for any reason. Depression, just committed a heinous crime, etc.
Nothing is really stopping people from killing themselves over these things.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 1:29 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Nothing is really stopping people from killing themselves over these things.
Yeh let grandpa slip away peacefully after swallowing a pill vs his family finding his brains splattered all over the ceiling.
That is if he can carry it out at all. Most of these people are already too weak/frail due to the course of their diseases.
It's easy to see in this thread who has watched a family member waste away and who hasn't.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 1:30 pm to Giantkiller
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Something has happened to us as a culture and I'm not sure I understand
It's pretty simple.
We have a Creator. And that creator has been rejected and denied. When you remove the creator and convince people that they are just a bunch of random matter that happened to stick together then you remove the beauty and value of the human life and it's meaning.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 1:38 pm to Snipe
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and the private sector in America isn't using it's multi billion dollar lobby influence to push for euthanasia legislation.
Death is not profitable in the long term. "Treatment" is continously profitable. It's not very difficult to figure out why America's private sector hasn't pursued euthanasia options. And that's not even factoring in what American lawyers would have to say about it from a liability perspective.
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 4/16/26 at 1:48 pm to mtntiger
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What are you talking about? ALS is incurable. Might there be a cure in the future? Perhaps, but right now, April 16, 2026, ALS is IN FACT a death sentence.
wrong. While there currently is no cure, that doesn’t mean that a person is necessarily going to die from it immediately. I’ll give you this – it is unpredictable. Look at the actor Eric Dane. He was recently diagnosed and died from the disease very quickly. However, look at someone like Stephen Hawking. He lived until he was 76 years old and a lot of his life he had that disease. Look at someone like Steve Gleeson. He’s 49 years old, but who knows how much longer he’ll be able to hang on. And in fact, Steve Gleeson is an interesting subject. Here’s a guy who albeit may not have the best quality of life, but a person who is decided that he will live the life he has to the fullest.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 2:03 pm to One72
All good.
Canadians are generally pretty nice folks.
Canadians are generally pretty nice folks.
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