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Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:19 am to Dadren
quote:Playing devil’s advocate here….then you’re possibility forcing people to stay in toxic marriages because at least one party involved can’t afford to walk away and start over with nothing. You’d have to create all kinds of exceptions: cheating, physical abuse, drug or alcohol abuse, a spouse going to jail. Then what if its mutual separation but neither wants to file for divorce because they don’t want to give up all their assets. One spouse may be content with staying legally married but living separate while the other just wants to move on.
100% agree with this and Knowle’s idea would address that. You don’t just get to walk out the door because “we drifted apart” and walk away with prizes. If you leave the marriage, then you leave everything that “belongs” to the marriage.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:21 am to Tiger Prawn
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at least one party involved can’t afford to walk away and start over with nothing.
Why not?
People start over from nothing every day.
Its not easy but it's also not impossible.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:34 am to Tiger Prawn
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You’d have to create all kinds of exceptions: cheating, physical abuse, drug or alcohol abuse, a spouse going to jail.
I don’t think you’d need that many. If you define abandonment as purposely doing/refusing to do something that causes you to be physically/emotionally/mentally absent from the marriage, then that captures a lot. Addiction, jail time, even refusal of mental health treatment can fall under that category.
But to your point, it should be limited to things that are truly irreconcilable with the marriage.
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Then what if its mutual separation but neither wants to file for divorce because they don’t want to give up all their assets. One spouse may be content with staying legally married but living separate while the other just wants to move on.
I’m not convinced that these things are “completely mutual”…at least, I don’t believe they start out that way. One spouse is always going to initiate that conversation. Both might be unhappy but there’s always one that decides that they’re done and simply convinces the other that it’s best to part ways amicably.
But let’s say it is completely mutual. They come to this conclusion independently and simultaneously. I’d say they’re good to divvy things up the way they see fit in that moment. Maybe the Knowles prenup is waiverable by both parties if they agree to handle everything on their own.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:35 am to Tiger Prawn
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You’d have to create all kinds of exceptions: cheating, physical abuse, drug or alcohol abuse, a spouse going to jail.
Then we're right back where we started
Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:35 am to Dadren
Sure as long as there is a clause for adultery, marital abandonment, etc.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:36 am to Dadren
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If you define abandonment as purposely doing/refusing to do something that causes you to be physically/emotionally/mentally absent from the marriage, then that captures a lot.
This creates a different sort of incentives.
Also, what happens if you file for divorce but fail to prove this?
Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:37 am to Dadren
This would absolutely require a number of stipulations that would make it very difficult to enforce
Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:39 am to GreenRockTiger
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and yet so many anti-woman threads in the OT
Western women are the reason we have every stupid government policy. Now they have been trained to be horrible human beings on top of that(no, the exception you know is not the rule)
Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:40 am to beerJeep
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Don’t get married and you won’t deal with divorce
That is how the black community got to where it is now.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:45 am to dyslexiateechur
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20.8% of men will leave their wives if they have cancer. Only 2.9% of women leave.
Why settle for half when you can wait a while and take it all?
Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:47 am to Dadren
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If you commit adultery, abuse, or abandonment, you have left the marriage. You don’t get to be a dick and force your spouse to file while keeping everything.
I mean you’re applying common sense to a broken system. A marriage is a contract and should be treated like every other contract. If your SO violates the terms of the contract (adultery, abuse, abandonment) you should have the option to void the contract without consequences. As it is now, you can be the perfect provider, loving, giving and then find yourself in a financial pit because your old lady decided she was bored at 39 and needed to spend the next ten years whoring it up, partying and “healing” on your dime.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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This agreement incentivizes spouses to take advantage of the other one, knowing they can hold the productive spouse hostage.
Once again you’re missing the point and overthinking the thought. He’s viewing marriage not as a legal piece of paper where contractual advisories are pitted against one another.. but as a mutual bond that is placed under the shroud of religion or you’re own agreed upon moral standing
I don’t have to agree with the harshness of his thought experiment to understand the point that marriage isn’t viewed correctly anymore in maintaining a consistently healthy balance of population outcome. Society is better when nuclear families dominate
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Posted on 1/28/24 at 11:17 am to Dadren
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Posted on 1/28/24 at 11:20 am to dyslexiateechur
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Posted on 1/28/24 at 11:42 am to Dadren
You know what else would fix most all of this? Keeping government out of marriage.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 12:14 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Posted on 1/28/24 at 12:41 pm to dyslexiateechur
Hat he had before ok maybe !! What they made together should be split , a lot of times the women are the reason
It’s a success . Amazon bezos comes to
Mind she deserved her half
It’s a success . Amazon bezos comes to
Mind she deserved her half
Posted on 1/28/24 at 2:19 pm to Dadren
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Pretty strong opinions against…does anyone care to elaborate on why it’s a silly, terrible idea?
Logically the burden of proof is on you since you are making the argument. My concerns are as follows:
1. What if there is abuse but you can't prove it? An example would be withholding money or violence that doesn't leave obvious signs.
2. What about kids? Do you have no right to your kids because you want out of a bad marriage? What if she just cuts you off of everything to get you to leave?
3. What about no fault divorces?
4. Should you lose everything you've invested in a legal entity (the marriage) because of one mistake? I don't think that's fair either way.
Not arguing its not broken or that there are ways to fix it but I don't think this is it.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 7:02 pm to DAWG0829
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