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re: Operation Meetinghouse - The Most Destructive Bombing Raid in History
Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:07 pm to Strannix
Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:07 pm to Strannix
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Sad, many dont realize the atomic bombs SAVED hundreds of thousands of American lives and millions of Japanese lives.
Peace with them for 80 years since WW2.
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 5:06 am to geauxtigers87
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We let the emperor stay.
Only after much discussion and handwringing. While Hirohito ended up staying on the throne, the Japanese surrendered knowing there was a possibility that he could be charged with war crimes. Ultimately, General Douglas MacArthur recommended to Washington that charging Emperor Hirohito with war crimes would lead to civil unrest in Japan and perhaps even civil war. If the United States and its allies were going to have a peaceful occupation and reconstruction of Japan, MacArthur concluded that Hirohito's presence would be indispensable.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 5:13 am to Strannix
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Sad, many dont realize the atomic bombs SAVED hundreds of thousands of American lives and millions of Japanese lives.
My old man turned 18 in the Summer of 1945. Dropped out of school, was packed and ready to go.
Never got the call.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 5:41 am to Riverside
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Or maybe you’ve forgotten who started the Second World War
Debatable
This post was edited on 12/31/25 at 5:42 am
Posted on 12/31/25 at 6:23 am to wileyjones
quote:Well that was a poor choice then, wasn't it? In any case, they were better off being thoroughly defeated by us than surrendering to the Soviets and spending half a century behind the iron curtain.
many don't realize the Japanese had approached the soviets offering to surrender before the atom bombs were dropped.
quote:Imperial Japan's actions in China and their treatment of captured POWs earned them far worse than they got. Revisionist history, indeed.
your quote is revisionist history imo, justifying the mass murder of civilians and showboating to the soviets.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 6:59 am to Proximo
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Debatable
Not really. The Japanese invaded China on July 7, 1937. Their war against the Chinese eventually merged with the Second World War when they attacked British and American interests on December 7-8, 1941.
Meanwhile, Nazi Germany invaded Poland on September 1, 1939. France, Britain, and Britain's colonial possessions subsequently declared war on Germany two days later.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 7:30 am to RollTide1987
quote:It was the best way seen to prevent the possibility of Communism coming to Japan.
If the United States and its allies were going to have a peaceful occupation and reconstruction of Japan, MacArthur concluded that Hirohito's presence would be indispensable.
Also, it would’ve looked bad had we charged the emperor for war crimes while we allowed Dr. Ishii to walk free because he shared scientific information and experiments with the US.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 7:36 am to Coldcushcush
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when you say the Japanese you imply it was official. it was not. some Japanese had approached the US also but the ruling faction NEVER surrendered. the Emporor of Japan surrendered and the people followed him.
When I read the OP, I was wondering how long it would take an OT Moderate to come into the thread with a bullshite version of history in order to shite on the country and the greatest generation. It only took about 9 posts.
You don't hate these people enough. In fact, you will never hate them more than they hate the country and anyone who loves it.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 7:48 am to sledgehammer
quote:A bunch of the 1998 respondents would not have existed had the US not had and used atomic weapons to hasten the end of the war.
I am amongst that subset.
And I am still pro-nuclear weapon use by the US against Imperial Japan in ‘45.
It vastly diminished the total amount of suffering on all sides.
This post was edited on 12/31/25 at 7:49 am
Posted on 12/31/25 at 7:53 am to soccerfüt
Americans were definitely ready for war to be over and viewed the bomb as an avenue to that end. It’s sad that the further we get away from ‘45, more people forget what the situation was like. Frankly, they forget history.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 8:05 am to soccerfüt
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I am amongst that subset.
Me too. Dad was flying the Marine version of the B-24 out of Okinawa. They were already photographing some Japanese installations.
Instead, they converted his PB4-Y (the B 24) to a "VIP plane" and he flew a bunch of admirals and generals home, or partway home. After the surrender, he flew Nimitz to Guam. He had "short snorters" (rolls of currency tape together, each bill with signatures of who was on the plane) but someone swiped most of them from his Marine Room. The only one I have left is one by Gen. Holland "Mad" Smith. The best one he had was Chesty Puller.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 8:14 am to RollTide1987
Serious question: How did Tokyo compare to Dresden in terms of tons dropped and damage and death.
I know both were horrific for the civilians on the ground
I know both were horrific for the civilians on the ground
Posted on 12/31/25 at 8:22 am to KiwiHead
3900 tons in Dresden vs 1600 tons in Tokyo.
25K dead in Dresden vs 100K dead in Tokyo.
25K dead in Dresden vs 100K dead in Tokyo.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 8:32 am to Stevo
Only 25 K killed in Dresden? I had always thought more. We dropped a whole lot more on Dresden it looks like. Tokyo probably went up because most of the buildings by large were wooden
Posted on 12/31/25 at 8:48 am to Stevo
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3900 tons in Dresden vs 1600 tons in Tokyo.
25K dead in Dresden vs 100K dead in Tokyo.
wood and paper Japanese cities with no air raid shelters because the government didnt build them
Posted on 12/31/25 at 10:22 am to KiwiHead
WWII positions at the time of the Dresden raid-
We’d just experienced the Battle of the Bulge on the Western Front, you can see how fast Germany subsequently collapsed afterwards.
(From February 13th to surrender in early May)
Doesn’t specifically justify bombing civilians but quickly making the Wehrmacht fold relieved suffering in toto. What happened at Dresden contributed to the quick surrender.
We’d just experienced the Battle of the Bulge on the Western Front, you can see how fast Germany subsequently collapsed afterwards.
(From February 13th to surrender in early May)
Doesn’t specifically justify bombing civilians but quickly making the Wehrmacht fold relieved suffering in toto. What happened at Dresden contributed to the quick surrender.
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