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re: Question for white collar baws
Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:34 am to Fratigerguy
Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:34 am to Fratigerguy
So you’re stupid and have a porn addiction?
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:38 am to lsu777
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doctors, lawyers, engineers, CPA, investment bankers etc all make more than 150/hour when you factor in their pay plus benefits.
Engineers are not typically in that range.
Sure those in FAANG or high tech are, maybe some very senior ones in fields like petroleum.
But most Engineers wont sniff that ever, and the rest for a long while if they arent in a select field.
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The median annual salary for all engineers was $91,420 as of May 2023
Thats 46 an hour for 2000 hours.
With benefit cost is often around 40% (401k, health care, vacation/PTO, training...
Thats in the range of 70 an hour.
We do very well, but we arent ever going to be in investment banker territory as a group.
This post was edited on 10/2/25 at 7:45 am
Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:46 am to Prodigal Son
when i was younger, on my drive to the office in march and april or October and November, I would see roofers working hard in the wonderful weather, and i would wish I had that job. Come July and January, I remembered why I went to white collar college.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:52 am to Narax
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Engineers are not typically in that range.
Sure those in FAANG or high tech are, maybe some very senior ones in fields like petroleum.
But most Engineers wont sniff that ever, and the rest for a long while if they arent in a select field.
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The median annual salary for all engineers was $91,420 as of May 2023
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Thats 46 an hour for 2000 hours.
With benefit cost is often around 40% (401k, health care, vacation/PTO, training...
Thats in the range of 70 an hour.
We do very well, but we arent ever going to be in investment banker territory as a group.
91 is the starting salary for most chemicals in the industrial world
what you need to understand when looking at things like that, there is the industrial world, the firms that serve them and then there are engineers like traffic, geotech and basic mechanical engineer who is working at a firm.
if you are in the industrial world or serve the industrial world, what you posted is what many are making immediately coming out of school and are double that in less than 15 years.
I know, I used to help hire them only recently not doing that anymore.
and most are making that as salary plus benefits and in the industrial world were you are looking at total matches of 401k in the 10-15% range, plus bonus, plus awesome insurance...yea they are making 80-100 an hour right off the bat.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:52 am to Fratigerguy
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The problem is that you can look at median incomes for white collar and blue collar jobs. Median incomes with college degrees and those in the trades. You can see that 95% of the white collar guys running their mouths don’t make anywhere near what they claim they do (but some certainly do), but they put a price on luxury and are claiming they need 200k to sweat when they make 75k a year sitting in an office. Then they pay someone to change their wives oil, to cut their grass, to do everything a man should do, and come out way behind because they don’t know how to work. It’s why their wives frick the plumber and electrician while they are at work. It’s why I see their wives stopping by to visit guys when hubby is on a business trip. Beta males man. You can’t help them. Find you some fresh out of high school young men who didn’t want college and treat them right with pay. You’ll accomplish what you want.
This is some butt hurt shite right here
The assumptions taken in this post sure make it sound personal to you.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:04 am to DCtiger1
I asked this question at work. According to the people I work with, if you could match their current salary, they’d take the job.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:27 am to Prodigal Son
quote:The issue is that a large portion of the folks in your target demo (lower-end salaried white collar workers) are women working as bookkeepers, office admins, customer service, paralegals, teachers, etc.
Not at all. Less than 20% of Louisiana households (combined income) make over 100k/yr. Yet the blue/white collar divide is roughly 55/45 in favor of white collar. That tells me that there are a lot of people who may have gone the blue collar route if they were better informed (and the blue collar route was more esteemed than it is).
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:33 am to Prodigal Son
I understand this want as Les Miles would say but I think you are asking the wrong audience.
You should be recruiting Highschool and college age people as they are the ones that would do much better in life going blue coller than getting a worthless degree. White coller jobs will get fewer and fewer with AI so blue coller is where it is.
You should be recruiting Highschool and college age people as they are the ones that would do much better in life going blue coller than getting a worthless degree. White coller jobs will get fewer and fewer with AI so blue coller is where it is.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:33 am to Prodigal Son
I understand this want as Les Miles would say but I think you are asking the wrong audience.
You should be recruiting Highschool and college age people as they are the ones that would do much better in life going blue coller than getting a worthless degree. White coller jobs will get fewer and fewer with AI so blue coller is where it is.
You should be recruiting Highschool and college age people as they are the ones that would do much better in life going blue coller than getting a worthless degree. White coller jobs will get fewer and fewer with AI so blue coller is where it is.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:35 am to Prodigal Son
My uncle went to law school and dropped out. He became a Landman and after a while I guess he saw the corrupt side of it and it got to him.
Now he is a cattle rancher.
If I could be a farmer or rancher that made $100k a year I would absolutely do it but yeah right unless you have some crazy property.
Now he is a cattle rancher.
If I could be a farmer or rancher that made $100k a year I would absolutely do it but yeah right unless you have some crazy property.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:41 am to Prodigal Son
Well, all my skills are related to analytics and project management, I ain't got no real skillz like being a plumber or something. That ship's sailed. Good bless those that can do that work because they're in demand! 
BTW..You don't think electricians, plumbers, HVACers don't have to deal with retards. Hang out on NextDoor a couple of times and look at the "Don't Use.." threads.
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The reason I ask, is because I’m tired of dealing with retards and drug addicts.
BTW..You don't think electricians, plumbers, HVACers don't have to deal with retards. Hang out on NextDoor a couple of times and look at the "Don't Use.." threads.
This post was edited on 10/3/25 at 7:37 am
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:41 am to Prodigal Son
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What would it take for you to take a blue collar job?
Proper money and work life balance.
I've done both and currently doing a mix of both. A good hands on job is very satisfying to do and despite the bitching and moaning, most men enjoy doing it. It's what men are meant to do.
A bad hands on job sucks just like a bad air conditioned office job sucks. The work being physical or not has no bearing on it for me.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:45 am to Bourre
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Some of us white collar baws started off as blue collar baws in order to become white collar baws
I toiled as a roustabout for a while to save money to go to school. After working in the AC and around attractive women, I can't imagine working blue collar again.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:59 am to Prodigal Son
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The reason I ask, is because I’m tired of dealing with retards and drug addicts. I want to know what it would take to get more people of at least average intelligence to consider sweating it out with me vs sitting in an air conditioned office
Sounds like you need to quit hiring drug addicts and retards. They have some shitty people in white collar roles too. Maybe you need to do a better job of vetting out your candidates.
A good salary doesn't always lead to a better employee.
Certainly doesn't hurt, but its no guarantee.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 9:18 am to Prodigal Son
I'm a software developer and came from a blue collar background. I recently owned a welding outfit as a side gig and I've invested a lot of time and money in metal working tools over the last decade or two. I'm well above the average hobby welder but not a "professional" per se.
I wanted to make the blue collar gig work out because I enjoy the work actually. But, there isn't enough money in the jobs for more than one person (the owner) to make a good living. A welder working in a shop makes $35 an hour on the generous side of things. A field welder with their own welding rig earns $65 to $90. I tried getting some 1099 workers, but nobody gives a shite about quality and nobody had a problem solving mindset. As an owner, you're responsible for the entire operation and to run it efficiently. You're livelihood revolves around getting sales, following up on payment, material deliveries, labor, multiple trades (equipment operators, welders, electricians, plumbers, painters, grunts etc. . .) as well as all of the accounting, budgeting etc that goes with it.
And the market is feast and famine. You have work, then you don't, then you get more work than you can deal with and have to manage customer expectations through it all. My large company I work for goes through ups and downs, but I have a paycheck in between the slow periods. I have one dedicated function I serve, and other departments deal with the rest.
I can go on, but that's enough to describe my effort to go from white to blue collar.
I wanted to make the blue collar gig work out because I enjoy the work actually. But, there isn't enough money in the jobs for more than one person (the owner) to make a good living. A welder working in a shop makes $35 an hour on the generous side of things. A field welder with their own welding rig earns $65 to $90. I tried getting some 1099 workers, but nobody gives a shite about quality and nobody had a problem solving mindset. As an owner, you're responsible for the entire operation and to run it efficiently. You're livelihood revolves around getting sales, following up on payment, material deliveries, labor, multiple trades (equipment operators, welders, electricians, plumbers, painters, grunts etc. . .) as well as all of the accounting, budgeting etc that goes with it.
And the market is feast and famine. You have work, then you don't, then you get more work than you can deal with and have to manage customer expectations through it all. My large company I work for goes through ups and downs, but I have a paycheck in between the slow periods. I have one dedicated function I serve, and other departments deal with the rest.
I can go on, but that's enough to describe my effort to go from white to blue collar.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 9:23 am to Prodigal Son
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What do we need to do to make this dream a reality? The obvious answer is to cut the workforce and therefore increase demand by making the barrier to entry more difficult. I’ve been on many jobs (cost plus) where we would have 5 guys on a 2- man job, and 10 guys on a 5-man job, so forth and so on. So I know we can do more work with less people- and therefore charge and pay more per man hour. We just have to figure out what to do with the retards and drug addicts.
Just a matter of licensing. As long as Electricians will have 10 guys getting paid $10 an hour with no certifications working under 1 guy that does, then you will always keep this kind of workforce.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 9:24 am to slidingstop
No white collar employee has ever had a drug addiction
Posted on 10/2/25 at 9:27 am to lsu777
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91 is the starting salary for most chemicals in the industrial world
In my field its over 100k starting.
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what you need to understand when looking at things like that, there is the industrial world, the firms that serve them and then there are engineers like traffic, geotech and basic mechanical engineer who is working at a firm.
You know this misses the point, its not about bragging about the field we are in, its about describing engineering as a whole.
I never once said Full Stack or AI engineers were a valid point for this.
The median is real, that comes from BLS data.
Most engineers arent making 100 an hour, thats just a fact.
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many are making immediately coming out of school and are double that in less than 15 years.
Again look at the data.
https://www.bls.gov/oes/2023/may/oes172112.htm
There are a few in oil and gas who make a lot, but many many make less.
The plural of anecdote is not data.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 9:49 am to lsu777
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if you are in the industrial world or serve the industrial world, what you posted is what many are making immediately coming out of school and are double that in less than 15 years.
Correct. 23 year old engineers straight out of college who don't know diddly squat about diddly squat are making a bare minimum of $65k plus a truck (or generous allowance) all day every day, plus 401k, health, etc.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 9:57 am to Narax
Your chart is just for "industrial" engineers. Search in the box for mechanical and then petroleum. It goes up.
I think part of this discrepancy is that once you get into the realm of outside sales, brand reps, etc. who service industrial facilities, you're not working strictly as an engineer any more. Not sure how labor statistics measure this, to be honest.
I think part of this discrepancy is that once you get into the realm of outside sales, brand reps, etc. who service industrial facilities, you're not working strictly as an engineer any more. Not sure how labor statistics measure this, to be honest.
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