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Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:35 am to N2daWild
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she is against politics
living in fantasy land, i see. smh
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:42 am to N2daWild
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I will put my trust and loyalty with God.
It's our God given right to be free and pursue happiness. Some politicians want to take that away. They only succeed if you give up your right. Same went for us. Same goes for Ukraine and the rest of the world.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:45 am to tom
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whatever freedoms they would lose under Russian rule
They really didn't lose any freedoms. The culture there before 2014 and after were pretty much the same. They lost jobs and prices went up, but culturally it was no different. From what I can see, most of their culture comes from their days under the Soviet Union.
They don't dress to stand out. They are quiet on the buses or subways. They don't have much marketing. They have little but share with each other. None of that changed in 2014.
Most of the Pro-European support is in Kiev and Western Ukraine. They believe that they will have a better future making ties to Europe. I believe that could be true, but I don't think dying for that is wise.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 11:59 am to Buck_Rogers
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It's our God given right to be free and pursue happiness.
People in Russia believe they are free and can pursue happiness. We are not talking about the killing fields of Cambodia.
Did America support those rights for Native Americans when we took their country? What about the slaves, or the Chinese on the railroads in the 1800's? Perhaps the Japanese Americans we locked up during WWII? Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
I'm an American and proud of it, but lets not pretend we are righteous and other countries are evil. I John 5:19 " The whole world is under the power of the evil one"
Posted on 3/1/22 at 12:16 pm to N2daWild
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People in Russia believe they are free and can pursue happiness. We are not talking about the killing fields of Cambodia.
Get out your unsweetened Cool-Aid and read all three volumes of Gulag Archipelago.
Can you pass for being a nuclear physicist?
Posted on 3/1/22 at 12:33 pm to N2daWild
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People in Russia believe they are free and can pursue happiness
By invading a sovereign state?
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Did America support those rights for...
Did I say America is always right? The U.S. government sure didn't support state rights which led to civil war, but poor farmers and
such that wanted nothing to do with politics defended their land against invaders, even if it failed. You think you can stay out of politics and let God take care of you and your family? Half my family was in the eastern most part of Germany during WW2. They were not political and did not agree with the Nazis, but they sure weren't going to willingly let Russians take over their land. Women and children evacuated to the American side while anyone capable did what they could to fight the Russians. America has been involved in many wars we shouldn't have. Ukraine needs to fight for themselves, which it seems like they are. Good for them. Bad for you for wishing they would surrender.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 1:19 pm to Buck_Rogers
In 2014 the people of Kiev ousted the then Pro-Russian President in an illegal coup. I'm personally not judging, there was no legal way for them to replace him. They proceeded by putting in one of the most corrupt governments on the earth. Ukrainian people in Donetsk, Crimnea and Lugansk rejected this illegal coup and a civil war pursued. Did those Ukrainians have a right to stand up for their freedom?
My point is wars are usually not justified. I met an Iraqi in Ukraine who considered America to be an invader in his country. Just like many Ukrainians are looking at Russia now.
Do I think Russia is right for doing this. Hell no. I would love for Russia to back down and get out of Ukraine.
The fact is Russia is too powerful and will eventually take Kiev and Kharkiv and put their own government in place. The longer that takes the more innocent civilians will be killed. I would like for it to end today even if that means giving it to Russia. It is more than likely inevitable anyway. Russia will pay a steep price even if they take Ukraine. Ukrainians will also hit them with guerilla tactics.
The notion that innocent people should die, so corrupt governments can fight for power is a notion I can't support. I'm for whatever stops the killing. We have Russian Christians killing Ukrainians Christians so their corrupt governmental leaders can stay in place. This isn't the work of God, this is the work of the evil one.
Do I think I can stay out of politics and God will take care of my family? The Bible tells me that God will put an end to these governments and establish his own Kingdom. The Bible tells me that there is only one way to everlasting life. I trust my Bible more than anything on this earth, including corrupt political leaders and their propaganda.
If you want to see innocent people continue to die because you believe there is a right and wrong in politics that is your bad.
My point is wars are usually not justified. I met an Iraqi in Ukraine who considered America to be an invader in his country. Just like many Ukrainians are looking at Russia now.
Do I think Russia is right for doing this. Hell no. I would love for Russia to back down and get out of Ukraine.
The fact is Russia is too powerful and will eventually take Kiev and Kharkiv and put their own government in place. The longer that takes the more innocent civilians will be killed. I would like for it to end today even if that means giving it to Russia. It is more than likely inevitable anyway. Russia will pay a steep price even if they take Ukraine. Ukrainians will also hit them with guerilla tactics.
The notion that innocent people should die, so corrupt governments can fight for power is a notion I can't support. I'm for whatever stops the killing. We have Russian Christians killing Ukrainians Christians so their corrupt governmental leaders can stay in place. This isn't the work of God, this is the work of the evil one.
Do I think I can stay out of politics and God will take care of my family? The Bible tells me that God will put an end to these governments and establish his own Kingdom. The Bible tells me that there is only one way to everlasting life. I trust my Bible more than anything on this earth, including corrupt political leaders and their propaganda.
If you want to see innocent people continue to die because you believe there is a right and wrong in politics that is your bad.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 1:36 pm to N2daWild
People should recognize that both of these governments are corrupt, so its understandable that your wife isnt too interested in any of the politics going on, just wants peace. This is also why the US needs to stay out of it. It looks bad on Russia because theyre the aggressors , but a lot of the global support is from globalist politicians protecting their own shady deals in Ukraine. Sad that the innocents are getting caught in the middle of this. Prayers for your family.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:07 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
Thank you.
I certainly don't agree with what Russia is doing. I do hope the world unites and makes them back down.
That being said, I just want it to end. Most of the people that die and kill in a war gain little while politicians become rich.
I believe we have the right to defend ourselves, our family or a stranger from physical harm. I would give my life if it would end this killing.
What I won't do is pick up a rifle and kill my fellow man because a manmade government, that doesn't even know who I am, told me I should do so. Nor do I believe my step son or anyone else should do this. If everyone on this earth did what I am willing to do and take a stand against these earthly governments and refuse to kill their fellow man. There would be no more wars.
I certainly don't agree with what Russia is doing. I do hope the world unites and makes them back down.
That being said, I just want it to end. Most of the people that die and kill in a war gain little while politicians become rich.
I believe we have the right to defend ourselves, our family or a stranger from physical harm. I would give my life if it would end this killing.
What I won't do is pick up a rifle and kill my fellow man because a manmade government, that doesn't even know who I am, told me I should do so. Nor do I believe my step son or anyone else should do this. If everyone on this earth did what I am willing to do and take a stand against these earthly governments and refuse to kill their fellow man. There would be no more wars.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:08 pm to N2daWild
imagine
Posted on 3/1/22 at 2:58 pm to N2daWild
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Did those Ukrainians have a right to stand up for their freedom?
Absolutely. I'll say it again; Russia is wrong for invading, but it's up to the Ukrainians to fight them off. The U.S. should stay out of it. As should Russia. If the people want to overthrow their government, then that is their right.
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I met an Iraqi in Ukraine who considered America to be an invader in his country.
Again, I never said the U.S. is perfect when it comes to government decisions. I despise all governments, and will argue for my best interests in how our government rules, but I'll be damned if I'll ever willingly let some other nation step foot in my country and try to take over without us winning or me dying.
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The fact is Russia is too powerful and will eventually take Kiev and Kharkiv and put their own government in place.
How'd that work for us and Russia in Afghanistan? How'd that work for us in Nam? How'd that work for the British when we declared our independence? Underdogs win all of the time when they're fighting for their home and don't surrender.
This post was edited on 3/1/22 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 3/1/22 at 4:36 pm to Buck_Rogers
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I'll be damned if I'll ever willingly let some other nation step foot in my country and try to take over without us winning or me dying.
Let's apply that way of thinking if you were born in Iraq. Would you will be willing to kill American soldiers and die so Saddam Hussein could remain in power and continue to get rich and rule Iraq?
I'm not talking about defending your home or family. Certainly you would be in your rights to protect yourself or your family from harm. I'm talking about dying for your government. Russia doesn't want to kill their families or take their homes from them. Russia wants to put in a Pro-Russian government like they lived with before 2014. I don't support that at all and for them to do that by force is horrible. I just don't believe Ukrainians should kill or die to prevent it from happening. Especially when it it likely to happen anyway. My stepson told me today that he wants to pick up a rifle and defend his country. Its admirable but it is foolish. What would be the point in him dying even if Ukraine won? They would eventually have another corrupt President getting rich because my step son died. Perhaps Ukrainians would have a more prosperous life one day under a Pro-European President. Is money worth dying for? The longer this war lasts, the more people will die. People I know personally, people I care for. Lets not forget my wife and child are there.
You mentioned Afghanistan and Nam as examples of the underdogs eventually winning the war. I believe Ukraine will eventually win this war but I don't believe they can hold Kiev and Kharkiv. We could have taken any city in Nam or Afghanistan we wanted and Russia will take Kiev and Kharkiv eventually unless they negotiate to end this.
I also don't believe Russian soldiers, 70% who profess to be Christian should be killing their fellow Christians and innocent civilians because Putin says they should. German soldiers shouldn't have killed and died for Hitler. If everyone, including Russian soldiers, took the stance that they were not going to kill for their Government because if violates God's law of "thou shall not kill". We wouldn't have any more wars.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 7:06 pm to N2daWild
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The Bible tells me that God will put an end to these governments and establish his own Kingdom. The Bible tells me that there is only one way to everlasting life.
If you believe this then I would think you believe in life after death, as do I. I also think the only way to everlasting life is to follow your conscience, stand up to your bullies and don't ever give up.
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Would you will be willing to kill American soldiers and die so Saddam Hussein could remain in power and continue to get rich and rule Iraq?
I'll answer your question with a question. Do you think that I would want any foreign power coming to this country to "help" overthrow a government I don't like? No, I wouldn't. It would be Americans' fight and no one else should intervene.
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I'm talking about dying for your government.
Again, I have no alliance to any government. My alliance is with my country and family. All governments can eat shite.
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German soldiers shouldn't have killed and died for Hitler.
Only the dumb ones did. Every single male 18 years or older on the German side of my family died fighting the Russians. Not one of them supported Hitler, but they were either forced to fight when the Nazis threatened their families, or they realized it got to the point of taking up arms or losing their country to Commies, which were doing unspeakable things to women and children.
I guess I have a real hatred for Russians, as they are awful people in my eyes and can't be trusted. When I was young, I couldn't wait to join the military for the soul purpose of possibly killing a commie or two. I was too late and never made it there. Thank God. We did not belong there. It was the Vietnamese' fight; not ours. I realized they didn't want us there and realized what a crock our government is too. Then I got the luxury of taking a tour of Grenada via Uncle Sam. It seemed I wasn't even sure why we were going there until we were there. When it was over, I felt good, because in my eyes I helped save hundreds of American lives. I didn't care about the politics.
There's plenty of other things I'm not going to bring up, to tell you why I think the way I do. One thing I can not stand is the phrase "thank you for your service". I did it for me, and I got paid. Same for everyone else that joined. The down side to that was listening to government orders which was worse than being shot at.
I'm not trying to put you down, and I really hope things work out. I'm just trying to understand you and your wife's thought process. When you say things like the Ukrainian police will arrest you, I just have a hard time not believing the only reason why they would arrest you is because your wife wouldn't let you take your kid to safety. If that's the case, then I really believe she is the one that will not enjoy everlasting life. Sorry to be harsh.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 8:00 pm to Buck_Rogers
I don't know what is up with the Ukrainian police arresting Americans. I read Russia has sent in saboteurs ahead of the invasion. I assume they are looking for them.
Some dancing with the stars guy (American citizen) said he was arrested before he evacuated and released but didn't comment on why.
As for my wife's thought process. I'm not completely sure. I know she didn't believe Russia would actually invade, along with everyone else in her family and city for that matter. She has her plans and won't be easily dissuade from it.
I can't say I am happy with her decision to stay or my decision not to stay with them. We were both gambling a lot on the fact that Putin was bluffing. It is what it is at this point. I got money to them and they are well supplied. I have three medical procedures this month and one more financial thing to take care of. I will drive to Washington DC and get a visa. I hope by then the path will be clearer for me as to how to get to them or get them out. The hard part is being patient. I want to be there now.
As for the Russians. My wife is very versed in Russian history. She tells me that Stalin and Lenin were more evil than Hitler.
Some dancing with the stars guy (American citizen) said he was arrested before he evacuated and released but didn't comment on why.
As for my wife's thought process. I'm not completely sure. I know she didn't believe Russia would actually invade, along with everyone else in her family and city for that matter. She has her plans and won't be easily dissuade from it.
I can't say I am happy with her decision to stay or my decision not to stay with them. We were both gambling a lot on the fact that Putin was bluffing. It is what it is at this point. I got money to them and they are well supplied. I have three medical procedures this month and one more financial thing to take care of. I will drive to Washington DC and get a visa. I hope by then the path will be clearer for me as to how to get to them or get them out. The hard part is being patient. I want to be there now.
As for the Russians. My wife is very versed in Russian history. She tells me that Stalin and Lenin were more evil than Hitler.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 7:30 am to N2daWild
UPDATE: Not much is different than yesterday. The shelling is still fairly close about 1/4 mile away. There is an abandoned tire factory there and the Ukrainian army is there. There are plenty of apartments right across the street from the factory. Apartments in Lisichansk are from the soviet era and are usually 5 or 9 stories (no elevators). There is also an empty field across from the tire factory where an apartment complex burned down during the 2014 bombing. There are a lot of abandoned factories in her city and the army is using them to make camp.
She told me taxi drivers in Kiev are charging the equivalent of $300 American dollars to drive them to a city west of Kiev. A typical 30 minute drive before the war was about $4. It seems like a bargain to me, but most Ukrainians won't pay that.
She told me taxi drivers in Kiev are charging the equivalent of $300 American dollars to drive them to a city west of Kiev. A typical 30 minute drive before the war was about $4. It seems like a bargain to me, but most Ukrainians won't pay that.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 7:38 am to N2daWild
Thanks for keeping us updated. Your family and all of her fellow Ukrainians are in my prayers, especially the children.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 8:18 am to N2daWild
She won’t evacuate her children with active shelling within 1/4 mile area?
Am I the crazy one or is your Ukrainian wife because I would never forgive a woman who knowingly put my children in that position given the option to leave.
Am I the crazy one or is your Ukrainian wife because I would never forgive a woman who knowingly put my children in that position given the option to leave.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 8:20 am to tide06
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Am I the crazy one or is your Ukrainian wife
She is. According to OP she’s literally willing to die to have another child when she already has two children.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 9:18 am to OldmanBeasley
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She is. According to OP she’s literally willing to die to have another child when she already has two children.
Yes, I could immediately tell she was a dedicated mother from the way she was determined to put her own children in mortal risk for her own benefit.
What I’m about to say I say not to hurt the OP, but because it would appear no one else in his life is willing to.
OP you have failed.
You failed in your choice to marry and have children with a self absorbed narcissist willing to put her entire family in serious and imminent harm to serve her own selfish wants that could be met in most of the western world, or even other safer parts of her own country.
You then failed as a father by not removing your child (or children) by whatever means necessary from the situation your wife has put them in.
We would never leave a child with a known child abuser, but the risk they are in right now far exceeds that of being beaten up. One errant shell and they are gone. If they are cut off due to a siege they could starve. Leaving them in their current situation is simply not acceptable behavior for a father.
I will walk you through on the phone right now how to begin to fix this mess if that would help, but you need to get your arse on a plane immediately and make this right. Both for them and for yourself because if they die you will never, ever forgive yourself for how this has shaken out. If you have to go full Liam Neeson in Taken or even die in the attempt then so be it, that’s your obligation as a father and you shouldn’t have had a child if you weren’t ready to take on that responsibility.
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