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Posted on 3/27/22 at 12:30 pm to CoastLSUFan
UPDATE 3/27/22
Frustrating but they didn't leave today. They have a bus reserved for Thursday. That is a long ways away. I have no idea if they are going to get trapped in there.
Her mother has decided to leave with her. I'm glad to hear that, I would like her father to leave as well.
I'm also worried that staying at a hospital is a bad idea. I think it is more comfortable and they have a bomb shelter but I worry it will be a target.
Frustrating but they didn't leave today. They have a bus reserved for Thursday. That is a long ways away. I have no idea if they are going to get trapped in there.
Her mother has decided to leave with her. I'm glad to hear that, I would like her father to leave as well.
I'm also worried that staying at a hospital is a bad idea. I think it is more comfortable and they have a bomb shelter but I worry it will be a target.
Posted on 3/28/22 at 8:57 am to N2daWild
UPDATE 3/28/22
We have a few things going on today. Apparently a bomb fell on the apartment above Anna in Kharkov and now she wants to leave. I'm not sure why it takes a bomb almost falling on you to make you leave. It must be an Ukrainian thing. Her husband Genna will probably have to stay because he is of fighting age. I don't know if Anna will try to make it to Russia or Poland. I told her she would have more options in Poland. Anna's sister Luba is in Kiev. She should also leave.
My wife, Yulia has been talking to friends that have evacuated to Poland. She said they are being given an option of UK, Germany or Sweden. They help find a place for them to stay and give them money. Many church organizations are helping. Right now my wife is thinking she will go to Germany but we will see.
Lisa has heard on telegram that Russia told the Ukrainian army that if they don't leave Lisichansk by next week they will storm the city. The information she gets is not always accurate I am learning. This is probably fairly accurate though. Russia will concentrate on taking the Donbas region. The wife, Yulia is scheduled to leave Thursday. That is much too close for comfort for me. Yulia told me that they have to pay to leave on bus, about $30 a person. This is not much money but there are older people there that live on $100 a month so this is a big expense to them. I just assumed the buses were free.
I had a long conversation with Lisa around midnight, since it is 8 hours later there. I told her that if Yulia is unable to leave Lisichansk that I will try to get to her. She told me that it was a very stupid idea. I'm sure it is but I can't sit back and have something happen to my family. If my family is okay it would probably be a bad idea for me to get killed. It is another tough decision. I have to decide if my family will be okay and I have no way of knowing the answer. Lets hope they get out Thursday and it won't be necessary.
It is going to be a nervous week for me and them. If my wife's father, Slava and Genna have to stay it will be some hard goodbyes.
We have a few things going on today. Apparently a bomb fell on the apartment above Anna in Kharkov and now she wants to leave. I'm not sure why it takes a bomb almost falling on you to make you leave. It must be an Ukrainian thing. Her husband Genna will probably have to stay because he is of fighting age. I don't know if Anna will try to make it to Russia or Poland. I told her she would have more options in Poland. Anna's sister Luba is in Kiev. She should also leave.
My wife, Yulia has been talking to friends that have evacuated to Poland. She said they are being given an option of UK, Germany or Sweden. They help find a place for them to stay and give them money. Many church organizations are helping. Right now my wife is thinking she will go to Germany but we will see.
Lisa has heard on telegram that Russia told the Ukrainian army that if they don't leave Lisichansk by next week they will storm the city. The information she gets is not always accurate I am learning. This is probably fairly accurate though. Russia will concentrate on taking the Donbas region. The wife, Yulia is scheduled to leave Thursday. That is much too close for comfort for me. Yulia told me that they have to pay to leave on bus, about $30 a person. This is not much money but there are older people there that live on $100 a month so this is a big expense to them. I just assumed the buses were free.
I had a long conversation with Lisa around midnight, since it is 8 hours later there. I told her that if Yulia is unable to leave Lisichansk that I will try to get to her. She told me that it was a very stupid idea. I'm sure it is but I can't sit back and have something happen to my family. If my family is okay it would probably be a bad idea for me to get killed. It is another tough decision. I have to decide if my family will be okay and I have no way of knowing the answer. Lets hope they get out Thursday and it won't be necessary.
It is going to be a nervous week for me and them. If my wife's father, Slava and Genna have to stay it will be some hard goodbyes.
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:33 am to N2daWild
Damn dude. I've enjoyed your inside take on this. I hope they get out. It does sound like Russia is pulling back to and focusing on Donna's this week. I hope all will be well.
Ukraine has put up an amazing fight.
Ukraine has put up an amazing fight.
Posted on 3/28/22 at 10:14 am to N2daWild
Been following this also so hope that they get out safely. Millions of others have done so. Trust your wife, an intelligent and capable parent, to make the best decisions.
DO NOT go and get yourself heroically killed. That would be of absolutely no benefit to them. Expect that you will be in a better position to help, support, and be re-united with them in the near future regardless. I also know a Ukrainian friend in Kyiv whose family got out and mutual friends have contributed a good bit of money for them through a GoFundMe. The governments and agencies are apparently stepping up to provide needs and transportation but if you find yourself in the circumstance of trying to care for an extended family somewhere that might be an option. This place has helped others in need.
DO NOT go and get yourself heroically killed. That would be of absolutely no benefit to them. Expect that you will be in a better position to help, support, and be re-united with them in the near future regardless. I also know a Ukrainian friend in Kyiv whose family got out and mutual friends have contributed a good bit of money for them through a GoFundMe. The governments and agencies are apparently stepping up to provide needs and transportation but if you find yourself in the circumstance of trying to care for an extended family somewhere that might be an option. This place has helped others in need.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:16 am to PhantomMenace
UPDATE 3/29/22
I received a message about 1am this morning that the roads were blocked and my family will not be able to evacuate. This was not good news at all and I was very upset.
She now sends me a copy of the peace agreement they have reached. I'm not seeing anything in American news besides that they are negotiating in Istanbul. Like I mentioned earlier the information I get from Lisa isn't always 100%. She seems to be telling me that they negotiated a end to this war. I will wait and see.
I received a message about 1am this morning that the roads were blocked and my family will not be able to evacuate. This was not good news at all and I was very upset.
She now sends me a copy of the peace agreement they have reached. I'm not seeing anything in American news besides that they are negotiating in Istanbul. Like I mentioned earlier the information I get from Lisa isn't always 100%. She seems to be telling me that they negotiated a end to this war. I will wait and see.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:20 am to N2daWild
Can you post the peace agreement?
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:45 am to N2daWild
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I received a message about 1am this morning that the roads were blocked and my family will not be able to evacuate.
Wait, so your wife has finally been convinced to evacuate after all this time, she decides that leaving is the best option, gets ready to leave and now she CANT?
I hate to hear that. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and your wife and her family can find a way out and you can reconnect with them. Hoping for the best
Posted on 3/29/22 at 10:04 am to IAmNERD
Wait, so your wife has finally been convinced to evacuate after all this time, she decides that leaving is the best option, gets ready to leave and now she CANT?
That about sums up my frustration and anger.
That about sums up my frustration and anger.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 10:12 am to Kramer26
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Can you post the peace agreement?
I'm not sure how to get it from my whatsapp to here but I will paraphrase it. Keep in mind, I don't know where she is getting this information it could just be some yahoo on telegram putting out things that are being taken wrongly.
1. Ukraine will be neutral but protected by other countries which would include the US.
2. Ukraine can join the European Union.
3. Ukraine will abandon their desire to return Crimea and Donbas by military means.
She ended by saying Russia has achieved its goal.
I'm not seeing anything close to that on American media, so definitely take it with grain of salt. Zelensky has publicly refused to give up Crimea and Donbas so I don't completely buy it. Of course this agreement she mentioned is not giving up those regions, just agreeing to back down militarily ending their 8 year civil war.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 10:15 am
Posted on 3/29/22 at 10:18 am to N2daWild
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2. Ukraine can join the European Union.
That'll take years.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 10:29 am to GetCocky11
She said Medinsky is reporting this, he is the Russian negotiator. She said the Presidents will meet on detail after the documents are drawn up.
There are a few articles coming out from some international media that the talks were productive and would include some immediate decreased activity around Kiev. Nothing that makes it sound like what Lisa said.
I also just got a message from Lisa that they still might be able to leave Thursday. The situation can change moment to moment. People are still evacuating Mariupol so it is never too late. I have encouraged my wife to not give up and keep trying for evacuation.
There are a few articles coming out from some international media that the talks were productive and would include some immediate decreased activity around Kiev. Nothing that makes it sound like what Lisa said.
I also just got a message from Lisa that they still might be able to leave Thursday. The situation can change moment to moment. People are still evacuating Mariupol so it is never too late. I have encouraged my wife to not give up and keep trying for evacuation.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 10:35 am to N2daWild
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I'm not seeing anything close to that on American media
it's the headline on basically every news site in the world. no peace deal, but ukraine publicly stated almost exactly this. it's their proposal (except for formally abandoning crimea/donbas)
Posted on 3/29/22 at 10:51 am to lsujro
I take it as you said, as the Russian proposal but not necessarily what they agreed on. Lisa seems to be taking it as something they have agreed on.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 10:59 am
Posted on 3/29/22 at 12:16 pm to N2daWild
I just listened to an interview with a retired Lt. Colonel. He said the Ukrainian troops are in real danger of being cut off in the Donbas region. Once they are cut off they will be destroyed or forced to surrender. He suggested they get reinforced, retreat of get real serious about negotiations in Istanbul.
My fear is that they get cut off and Donbas turns into the Alamo, similar to what happened in Mariupol.
My fear is that they get cut off and Donbas turns into the Alamo, similar to what happened in Mariupol.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 12:31 pm to N2daWild
Russia is going to get exactly what they want, everyone thinking Ukraine had a chance is pretty much just dumb.
Zelensky needs to accept the peace terms and quit getting his people killed.
Zelensky needs to accept the peace terms and quit getting his people killed.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 12:59 pm to DarthRebel
I have said this from the beginning. Of course I was wrong about the resistance Ukraine has shown militarily. Right now I'm not seeing enough backing from NATO to sustain this. All they can do is make Russia grind and pay a heavy price. Unfortunately with a defense like that you get heavy damage and civilian deaths. This is not want I want. NATO will not give them the weapons for them to go on the offensive. This a war of attrition where both sides lose and civilians suffer. Who calls Uncle first? Most people in Russia and Ukraine don't care what flag Flys in Donbas and Crimea. This is pointless death. Let's hope these leaders come to there senses before my family is killed.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 1:06 pm to N2daWild
Putin doesn't care if his soldiers die. Zelensky does care about the civilians. This gives Putin a negotiation edge to hold out longer. Zelensky can hold out until the economic and internal pressure is too great for Putin. How long will that take? Zelensky needs to agree to some kind of agree to disagree negotiation in regards to Donbas and Crimea that both sides can live with.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 2:33 pm to N2daWild
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If the wife doesn't leave, I'm going to look very hard at going to Ukraine. I don't see how I can get passed the roadblocks but I can see how close I can get. Perhaps it would motivate my wife to try to reach me.
Geez man. I know people who tell you the hard truth on here are heavily chastised, but you and your wife have made one bad decision after another. This would be yet another absolutely terrible decision on your part.
I'm not trying to be a dick, but you need to come back to reality.
All that being said, I hope this story has a happy ending.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 2:55 pm to N2daWild
It's sad to hear that the evacuation didn't work out as planned, but it is a war ,and in war things change in the blink of an eye. You don't need to be continuously told what you should have done or could have done. The best advise that I can tell you is to tell your family to be ready to leave in a moments notice and not to sit on the chance if it does present itself. Like I said , what you hear today could be completely different than tomorrow. Still praying that they make it to you safely, but risks will have to be taken at this point.
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