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re: Should I leave Ukraine?
Posted on 3/29/22 at 3:12 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Posted on 3/29/22 at 3:12 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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If the wife doesn't leave, I'm going to look very hard at going to Ukraine.
It seems illogical or as Lisa puts it a very stupid idea. If they are unable to get out then I have little chance of getting in. With an American passport and unable to speak Russian it will probably not end well for me. If I get killed and they survive this war, than it was a terrible idea as you said. There is the possibility I make it to them and actually make their situation worse. I will consume their supplies. If confronted by Russian soldiers it would be better for them if I was not there. If they are able to evacuate to Russia they will have to leave me there.
Nothing seems logical about making such an attempt. Here is the flip side of the argument.
I lay in bed at night worrying about my family. Hoping that this war ends or they can get out. If they can't get out and it doesn't end, I hope they at least survive it. Then my thoughts are faced with the reality of them getting killed and I didn't even try to rescue them.
There is no amount of danger that would stop me from trying to rescue my family if I knew they were going to be killed. I think all of us could agree or relate to that. That's not heroic, that is just doing what anybody would do.
That's why it is a very hard decision. As long as I know there is a good chance my family will be okay, I won't make a foolish attempt at trying to get to them. If their city turns into Mariupol, I can't sit back and hope for the best.
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Posted on 3/29/22 at 3:19 pm to N2daWild
You named all the reasons it's a terrible idea, so at least you know them. I understand being worried about them, being worried about the worst possible outcome, and feeling helpless.
This is the reality of the situation though. You are highly highly unlikely to get to them. And if by some miracle you do, you are not likely to make the situation better. You admitted this yourself. You shouldn't let a series of bad decisions lead to another one. What good does that do for anybody?
This is the reality of the situation though. You are highly highly unlikely to get to them. And if by some miracle you do, you are not likely to make the situation better. You admitted this yourself. You shouldn't let a series of bad decisions lead to another one. What good does that do for anybody?
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 3/29/22 at 4:38 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
You’ve gotten some good advice. You going to Ukraine is a terrible idea, but I understand why you feel like you should go. Nevertheless, you need to listen to reason rather than emotion in this situation.
I agree with Buck about how your family needs to be ready to leave at a moment’s notice should a chance to evacuate present itself. Things do change from moment to moment, and your wife and child cannot afford the luxury of time to plan an escape. If they get a chance to get out, they need to take it. The best thing you can do is convince your wife to do that.
I am curious as to why your family did not evacuate on Monday as planned. Did the situation deteriorate, or was she waiting on other family members before leaving? If she gets a chance to save her children, that is what she needs to do. Trying to help parents and other relatives is a selfless thing to do, but that is a luxury that your family cannot afford right now. Your wife’s priority needs to be her children. Period. Your job is to help her see that.
I pray for their safety daily, and I pray for your mental health while all this is happening. I can’t even imagine what goes through your mind. I wish nothing but the best for your family, and I will continue to pray for all of you and for an end to the war. Godspeed, and try to stay strong and rational for the sake of your family.
I agree with Buck about how your family needs to be ready to leave at a moment’s notice should a chance to evacuate present itself. Things do change from moment to moment, and your wife and child cannot afford the luxury of time to plan an escape. If they get a chance to get out, they need to take it. The best thing you can do is convince your wife to do that.
I am curious as to why your family did not evacuate on Monday as planned. Did the situation deteriorate, or was she waiting on other family members before leaving? If she gets a chance to save her children, that is what she needs to do. Trying to help parents and other relatives is a selfless thing to do, but that is a luxury that your family cannot afford right now. Your wife’s priority needs to be her children. Period. Your job is to help her see that.
I pray for their safety daily, and I pray for your mental health while all this is happening. I can’t even imagine what goes through your mind. I wish nothing but the best for your family, and I will continue to pray for all of you and for an end to the war. Godspeed, and try to stay strong and rational for the sake of your family.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 3/29/22 at 5:43 pm to Buck_Rogers
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tell your family to be ready to leave in a moments notice
Agreed. I have seen with Mariupol, doors open and doors close constantly. I think there will be other opportunities to evacuate and they need to be ready. When Lisa broke the news to me, she said they will just have to shelter. My response was "No, they need to continue to look for ways to evacuate". My wife does appear to have a fear of evacuating, maybe too many youtube videos, so that won't help matters.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 5:48 pm to CoastLSUFan
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I am curious as to why your family did not evacuate on Monday as planned
I didn't get a clear answer on that. I was told that Thursday was the first bus available. I don't know why they thought they were going to leave earlier. Perhaps Lisa just assumed they could get a bus the next day. Maybe when the mother decided to leave they had to schedule a different bus. I'm not completely sure. I think it was probably just Lisa assuming though.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 9:47 am to N2daWild
UPDATE 3/30/22
My wife sent me a small message today just to let me know they are okay.
Lisa told me that they have not let anyone leave the city the last couple of days but there is a small chance they let people out tomorrow. They have a convoy of about 100 vehicle set up to leave around 10am Thursday. I'm not going to get my hopes up but I will be elated if I get word they were able to leave.
My wife sent me a small message today just to let me know they are okay.
Lisa told me that they have not let anyone leave the city the last couple of days but there is a small chance they let people out tomorrow. They have a convoy of about 100 vehicle set up to leave around 10am Thursday. I'm not going to get my hopes up but I will be elated if I get word they were able to leave.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 2:12 pm to N2daWild
Praying for safe passage for them all.
Posted on 3/31/22 at 1:38 am to Go Cat Go
UPDATE 3/31/22
My messages from Lisa start early because it is 8 hours later in Russia.
I received her first message and she said that the night was pretty calm and the caravan would try to leave today.
I then got the second message that she called her father and that they did indeed leave. Her father was very worried. I can't imagine the emotions he is going through. They are not allowed to use their phones because the Russian army listens to them. So it might be a while before we hear from my wife.
They are not out of the woods, Russian troops are everywhere in that area. Bombs drop at random. There are roadblocks, etc. All that said I couldn't be more excited and relieved. There is a very good chance that her city will turn into Mariupol like situation.
There would be no way I could just sit back if that happened. Against everyone's advice I would have had to try to help my family. I had it planned out and I can kind of laugh about it now. I had a list of things to pack. I figured I could get within 4 hour drive of them by train. Then I could walk the train tracks to avoid roadblocks and navigate. I even calculated how many days it would take to get to them, 10.
We will see where things go from here. Once they are out of danger they will still have a hard journey ahead.
I also received good news about Anna. She was able to leave and is in West Ukraine. Her husband, Genna refused to leave. Lisa told me that it is very hard for Ukrainians to buy a home, they don't have insurance so they feel they need to stay to protect their homes. I'm not sure Ukraine would have let him leave anyway.
I will be so happy when my family is out, but there is still so much sadness. I worry about Slava, Genna, these poor women having babies at Slava's hospital in all this. Homes destroyed with no means to replace them. Jobs lost, schools and hospitals destroyed. Even when this war is over, what do they have?
How in a civilized world can we do this to each other? Can this really be so one man can claim his place in history?
My messages from Lisa start early because it is 8 hours later in Russia.
I received her first message and she said that the night was pretty calm and the caravan would try to leave today.
I then got the second message that she called her father and that they did indeed leave. Her father was very worried. I can't imagine the emotions he is going through. They are not allowed to use their phones because the Russian army listens to them. So it might be a while before we hear from my wife.
They are not out of the woods, Russian troops are everywhere in that area. Bombs drop at random. There are roadblocks, etc. All that said I couldn't be more excited and relieved. There is a very good chance that her city will turn into Mariupol like situation.
There would be no way I could just sit back if that happened. Against everyone's advice I would have had to try to help my family. I had it planned out and I can kind of laugh about it now. I had a list of things to pack. I figured I could get within 4 hour drive of them by train. Then I could walk the train tracks to avoid roadblocks and navigate. I even calculated how many days it would take to get to them, 10.
We will see where things go from here. Once they are out of danger they will still have a hard journey ahead.
I also received good news about Anna. She was able to leave and is in West Ukraine. Her husband, Genna refused to leave. Lisa told me that it is very hard for Ukrainians to buy a home, they don't have insurance so they feel they need to stay to protect their homes. I'm not sure Ukraine would have let him leave anyway.
I will be so happy when my family is out, but there is still so much sadness. I worry about Slava, Genna, these poor women having babies at Slava's hospital in all this. Homes destroyed with no means to replace them. Jobs lost, schools and hospitals destroyed. Even when this war is over, what do they have?
How in a civilized world can we do this to each other? Can this really be so one man can claim his place in history?
This post was edited on 3/31/22 at 1:44 am
Posted on 3/31/22 at 3:57 pm to N2daWild
So glad to hear they made the choice to leave. The further they get west, the better off they will be. Have you planned on leaving yet to meet them?
Posted on 3/31/22 at 5:40 pm to Buck_Rogers
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Have you planned on leaving yet to meet them?
I'm going to have to wait just a bit. I don't know where they are going to be sent once entering Poland. So I'm going to wait until I see where they are and then I will buy my ticket. Man, I can't wait.
Posted on 3/31/22 at 9:10 pm to N2daWild
After they get to wherever they get sent, it will all seem like gravy from there. I'm looking forward to the day you post on here that y'all have met up.
This post was edited on 3/31/22 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 3/31/22 at 9:52 pm to N2daWild
I've been following your post from the beginning. I've been praying for you and your family. I really hope everything works out and you can find a way for your step son to get here.
Posted on 3/31/22 at 9:53 pm to N2daWild
quote:
Can this really be so one man can claim his place in history?
This is about decades of failed foreign policy. Like every disaster, there’s more than just one thing to blame.
Glad to hear they are finally getting out.
Posted on 3/31/22 at 10:12 pm to Aubie Spr96
You're probably correct.
Thank you guys again for the support.
Thank you guys again for the support.
Posted on 3/31/22 at 10:23 pm to N2daWild
We are all pulling for you and waiting to hear that yall are reunited!
Posted on 4/1/22 at 8:40 am to madamsquirrel
Any updates on the journey, OP? How far away is Poland from where they are starting from? Still praying for safe passage for them all!
Posted on 4/1/22 at 8:41 am to N2daWild
quote:
Should I leave Ukraine?
Yes, probably a good idea.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 8:44 am to AUriptide
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Should I leave Ukraine?
Yes, probably a good idea.
Agreed .
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:35 am to N2daWild
sending more prayer and support brother.
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