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re: Should I leave Ukraine?
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:51 am to Got Blaze
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:51 am to Got Blaze
There is a recent book called The Daughters of Yalta which might be an insightful read.
It's about the Harriman, Roosevelt and Churchill daughters and their interaction with their fathers and the whole WWII conference at Yalta. The description of Yalta, the reactions with the Russians, the lack of knowledge about the Russians, the general secrecy of the Russians...this is from the WWII era, which imprinted on the folks who lived there through the German occupation (two years).
I barely knew where Yalta is and aside from the picture of the world leaders at Yalta I didn't know much. I'm finding it an interesting read.
It's about the Harriman, Roosevelt and Churchill daughters and their interaction with their fathers and the whole WWII conference at Yalta. The description of Yalta, the reactions with the Russians, the lack of knowledge about the Russians, the general secrecy of the Russians...this is from the WWII era, which imprinted on the folks who lived there through the German occupation (two years).
I barely knew where Yalta is and aside from the picture of the world leaders at Yalta I didn't know much. I'm finding it an interesting read.
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Posted on 4/1/22 at 12:32 pm to Go Cat Go
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Any updates on the journey,
UPDATE 4/1/22
The only update I received was from Lisa who had a short conversation with her Mother, Natalie. The bus ride that was supposed to be 4 hours took 10. I'm sure it was very crowded and a hard journey with a baby. I don't think she was complaining though.
They are slightly west of the Dnieper river which should be safe. They will be in a refugee camp for 2 days and were giving a room with 4 beds. It could be a 5 to 7 day journey to Poland. The only good thing is Ukrainians are used to traveling by bus and train, since most can't afford a vehicle. Most have not seen a decent hotel, so they probably won't complain about where they have to sleep either or shared restrooms.
Just to show how lucky they were. The bombing again intensified in Lisichansk today. They were lucky enough to have bus reservations on the one day they actually evacuated civilians out of the city.
I found this to be interesting. Lisa told me that civilians in Lisichansk are telling the Ukrainian soldiers to leave. I'm sure it is just a select few but I thought it was interesting. I remember in the first week of the war, my wife telling me that the Ukrainian army was occupying the vacant factories in her city. I immediately was concerned.
When I left there were hardly any soldiers in or around her city. The population was fairly Pro-Russian so I was confident they wouldn't be throwing molotov cocktails at the Russians. I assumed the Russian army would just roll past her city if the war did happen. Now it is starting to look like it could turn into Mariupol.
The civilians would be better off if they just let the Russian army occupy the city. So I understand where some residents would be telling the Ukrainian army to leave. I also have to wonder how the Ukrainian soldier feels. He is sacrificing for the benefit of his country and the civilians of his country and they are telling them to leave. Maybe it is just me, but I found the situation interesting.
This post was edited on 4/1/22 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 4/1/22 at 12:40 pm to N2daWild
Thank you for the update, my wife was asking if there was any news.
We are praying for yall.
We are praying for yall.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:56 pm to N2daWild
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They are slightly west of the Dnieper river which should be safe. They will be in a refugee camp for 2 days and were giving a room with 4 beds.
That's one giant step forward! Good news!!
Posted on 4/1/22 at 2:30 pm to N2daWild
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Just to show how lucky they were. The bombing again intensified in Lisichansk today. They were lucky enough to have bus reservations on the one day they actually evacuated civilians out of the city.
I read about that this morning but thought it wouldn't be appropriate here. Glad they didn't have to go through that even if no one was hurt.
Eta: sorry was reading fast. An evac bus was fired on but no one was hurt.
This post was edited on 4/1/22 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 4/1/22 at 2:55 pm to N2daWild
why poland
wouldnt romania be easier to get to...
wouldnt romania be easier to get to...
Posted on 4/1/22 at 3:10 pm to N2daWild
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I found this to be interesting. Lisa told me that civilians in Lisichansk are telling the Ukrainian soldiers to leave.
It seems reporting on the intensity of the war is muted or there is a lull. But I have this feeling Ukraine may start to go wobbly and momentum could shift back to Russia. I feel it may not be possible for Ukraine to resist Russia for weeks and months. And maybe that's what the observation about Ukrainian citizens telling Ukrainian soldiers to leave indicates. How long can citizens live in that blown up hellhole day after day?
Posted on 4/1/22 at 6:04 pm to Dissident Aggressor
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why poland
wouldnt romania be easier to get to...
Moldova might be the shortest path but they pretty much have to follow where the convoy leads them. I'm glad they didn't have to evacuate to Russia.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 6:13 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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How long can citizens live in that blown up hellhole day after day?
I think it is becoming apparent that this is part of Putin's strategy. Putin's biggest negotiating leverage is he knows Zelensky doesn't want the civilians to suffer and die. Putin knows this and is using this to his advantage.
Putin has gone as far as to try to stop women and children from evacuating or from humanitarian aid from coming in. That is a heartless individual. This gave me a lot of anxiety about my wife and baby getting trapped in Lisichansk. Especially with reports that they were going to start concentrating on the Donbas region.
Of course reports of phosphorus bombs, chemical weapons, the Wagner mercenaries in the area didn't help my anxiety. You can see where I would have trouble sleeping at night. It's just a miracle they had reservations on the bus the one day they could evacuate. I'm just so thankful.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 6:15 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
I can understand not wanting any Ukranian soldiers there. Just think about it ..........We are invaded and the invaders shell at the defenders, if there is no resistance then maybe no shelling and your house, your town remains relatively intact. But, you are certain if the troops did into your front yard in a defensive position your house is gonna be lit up. Fight them in the countryside if at all possible.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 6:22 pm to jeffsdad
I just listened to the Zelenskyy interview on Fox News and some discussion afterward. It's highly likely the US and Europe will want to squeeze off the military assistance given to Ukraine. Europe can only handle the insecurity of the situation for so long. And a military analyst on Fox thinks Biden may be concerned about what a wounded Putin will do. To put in other words, it may be desirable for Ukraine to negotiate away part of their country so that Putin will not do big bad things in the future. And there is a concern that the public in Europe and the US is losing interest in the Ukraine plight.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 7:15 pm to N2daWild
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This post was edited on 4/1/22 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 4/1/22 at 7:34 pm to N2daWild
N2da — glad they’re in the process of evacuating and hope that the little one is doing ok (all of them but especially her).
May I ask .. are you American? For some reason I read your posts with an accent in my mind.
Keep praying as we will and continue to keep us updated.
May I ask .. are you American? For some reason I read your posts with an accent in my mind.
Keep praying as we will and continue to keep us updated.
This post was edited on 4/1/22 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:39 pm to N2daWild
I'm glad to hear the good news, and it should only get better for your family from here on out.
This was Zelensky's weakness from the beginning. I stressed that the only way Ukraine wins this is for women and children to evacuate while the men able to fight stayed. Being in denial that Russia would not attack only put innocent women and children in harms way, and now it will be used against the Ukrainians.
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Putin's biggest negotiating leverage is he knows Zelensky doesn't want the civilians to suffer and die. Putin knows this and is using this to his advantage.
This was Zelensky's weakness from the beginning. I stressed that the only way Ukraine wins this is for women and children to evacuate while the men able to fight stayed. Being in denial that Russia would not attack only put innocent women and children in harms way, and now it will be used against the Ukrainians.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 9:53 pm to tiger91
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May I ask .. are you American
I was born and spent most of my life around New Orleans.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 10:07 pm to Buck_Rogers
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Being in denial that Russia would not attack only put innocent women and children in harms way
It kept them from preparing as well. They are going to run out of supplies and food, causing a humanitarian issue.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 10:15 pm to N2daWild
Interesting commentary. Thanks for the info. Can't help but feel for people like your family that were caught in the middle of this mess.
Posted on 4/1/22 at 10:20 pm to N2daWild
Great news!
Posted on 4/2/22 at 1:39 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
UPDATE: 4/2/22
Not much to report besides they have their train tickets. They will be arriving in Lviv tomorrow morning. From there they will go into Poland and probably Germany from there.
I'm learning that it is not cheap for them to evacuate. This isn't a problem for my family but for some Ukrainians it is. I'm also hearing that some are sleeping on the ground in Lviv. Some are also choosing to return home because they are running out of money and Russian turning their attention to Donbas.
We tend to focus on the civilian deaths but the suffering goes beyond that. There are injuries, psychological trauma and financial issues, etc. Very difficult situation there.
Not much to report besides they have their train tickets. They will be arriving in Lviv tomorrow morning. From there they will go into Poland and probably Germany from there.
I'm learning that it is not cheap for them to evacuate. This isn't a problem for my family but for some Ukrainians it is. I'm also hearing that some are sleeping on the ground in Lviv. Some are also choosing to return home because they are running out of money and Russian turning their attention to Donbas.
We tend to focus on the civilian deaths but the suffering goes beyond that. There are injuries, psychological trauma and financial issues, etc. Very difficult situation there.
Posted on 4/3/22 at 2:26 am to N2daWild
Awesome to hear the great news.
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