- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Winter Olympics
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: so POS Hitler survived WW11 after all
Posted on 12/16/15 at 9:41 am to 68wDoc68w
Posted on 12/16/15 at 9:41 am to 68wDoc68w
quote:
brother don't try and inject logic and sound reasoning into this debacle of a thread.
he cant even type WWII correct
Good point. The whole "Hitler survived" mania has been around since Berlin was still smoldering. It pops up over and over whenever some new half baked notion comes to some idiot's mind or someone spots some old man with a closely cropped mustache. I'll bet there's people who think he's still alive today despite the fact he'd be going on 130 years old.
0
Posted on 12/16/15 at 9:44 am to Darth_Vader
quote:
One thing these crack-pot Hitler conspiracy believers fail to take into account is the physical state of Hitler in April 1945. The man was for all intents and purposes an invalid. He could barely shuffle around the bunker. At the time of his suicide in the Chancellery bunker the Soviets had already approached to within a few hundred meters of the bunker with two complete armies. There were thousands upon thousands of Soviet troops that had him and his entourage totally surrounded. The only possibility of escape (which a scant few pulled off) was to be able to move quickly and stay undetected. It was impossible for Hitler to do this under his own power so someone would have had to physically carry him on their back.
The notion someone could do this through the Soviet forces in and around Berlin and reach safety is beyond absurd. In addition to slowing them down by just his weight alone, is the fact they'd also have to make frequent stops to allow him to take the litany of drugs he had become very addicted by this point. Without those drugs, Hitler's already terrible physical state would become far worse as he began to suffer withdrawals. In fact, due to his already weakened state, it's probable the withdrawals alone would have killed him.
The bottom line is that in late April 1945. Escape for Hitler from the Fuhrerbunker was totally out of the question. He simply was physically incapable of surviving any breakout attempt. The only way he was going to come out of there alive was to surrender to the Soviets. He knew this so he chose instead to kill himself which is exactly what he did on April 30th, 1945.
They found all of the medicine he routinely took in Argentina.
As for feasibility, it appears that pretty much all of the hierarchy in the Nazi party that wanted to escape, did escape. And, none of the tunnels that would have been used were under control by the Soviets. So that movement would have been free.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 9:48 am to sullivanct19a
quote:
They found all of the medicine he routinely took in Argentina.
because that medicine was indigenous to only Germany.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 9:50 am to TutHillTiger
Posted on 12/16/15 at 9:50 am to sullivanct19a
quote:
As for feasibility, it appears that pretty much all of the hierarchy in the Nazi party that wanted to escape, did escape.
Like who? Eichmann, Mengele? These are not members of the Nazi leadership. Goering, Himmler, Goebbels, Speer, Keitel, Ley, Kaltebrunner, Streicher, etc. All captured or found dead.
Bormann was never found and his story is a bit of a mystery but it's very conceivable that he was killed trying to escape.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 9:53 am to sullivanct19a
quote:
They found all of the medicine he routinely took in Argentina.
you could find the drugs he routinely took in just about any place on earth. None of them were exotic or rare. If you were going by the availability of the drugs he took to indicate where he went, he could have been in just about any town in the U.S. with a pharmacy for that matter.
And that still does not take into account the fact he was physically unable to make the trek from his bunker, through Soviet and then Allied lines to safety. When I said the man was virtually an invalid by this point, I meant that quite literally. It was all he could do to shuffle his feet from room to room inside the bunker and he had to do this slowly. Ever seen a 95 year old person trying to shuffle from their recliner to the next room? That's basically how he moved. So how do you think they could have got him out of there?
Posted on 12/16/15 at 9:54 am to sullivanct19a
This thread is amusing.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 9:56 am to ChewyDante
quote:
Bormann was never found and his story is a bit of a mystery but it's very conceivable that he was killed trying to escape.
I remember seeing something not long ago indicating that they have proven he died in Berlin trying to escape.
Yep... Here it is...
quote:
Over the coming years, several organisations, including the CIA and the West German Government, attempted to locate Bormann without success.[103] The West German government in 1964 offered a reward of 100,000 Deutsche Marks for information leading to Bormann's capture.[104] Sightings were reported at points all over the world, including Australia, Denmark, Italy, and South America.[53][105] In his autobiography, Nazi intelligence officer Reinhard Gehlen claimed that Bormann had been a Soviet spy, and that he had escaped to Moscow.[106] Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal believed that Bormann was living in South America.[107] The West German government declared that its hunt for Bormann was over in 1971.[108]
In 1963, a retired postal worker named Albert Krumnow told police that around 8 May 1945 the Soviets had ordered him and his colleagues to bury two bodies found near the railway bridge near Lehrter station. One was dressed in a Wehrmacht uniform and the other was clad only in his underwear.[109] Krumnow's colleague Wagenpfohl found an SS doctor's paybook on the second body identifying him as Dr. Ludwig Stumpfegger.[110] He gave the paybook to his boss, postal chief Berndt, who turned it over to the Soviets. They in turn destroyed it. He wrote to Stumpfegger's wife on 14 August 1945 and told her that her husband's body was "... interred with the bodies of several other dead soldiers in the grounds of the Alpendorf in Berlin NW 40, Invalidenstrasse 63."[111]
Excavations on 20–21 July 1965 at the site specified by Axmann and Krumnow failed to locate the bodies.[112] However, on 7 December 1972, construction workers uncovered human remains near Lehrter station in West Berlin just 12 m (39 ft) from the spot where Krumnow claimed he had buried them.[113] Upon autopsy, fragments of glass were found in the jaws of both skeletons, suggesting that the men had committed suicide by biting cyanide capsules to avoid capture.[114] Dental records—reconstructed from memory in 1945 by Dr. Hugo Blaschke—identified one skeleton as Bormann's, and damage to the collarbone was consistent with injuries that Bormann's sons reported he had sustained in a riding accident in 1939.[113] Forensic examiners determined that the size of the skeleton and the shape of the skull were identical to Bormann's.[114] Likewise, the second skeleton was deemed to be Stumpfegger's, since it was of similar height to his last known proportions.[113] Composite photographs, where images of the skulls were overlaid on photographs of the men's faces, were completely congruent.[114] Facial reconstruction was undertaken in early 1973 on both skulls to confirm the identities of the bodies.[115] Soon afterward, the West German government declared Bormann dead. The family was not permitted to cremate the body, in case further forensic examination later proved necessary.[116]
The remains were conclusively identified as Bormann's in 1998 when German authorities ordered genetic testing on fragments of the skull. The testing was led by Wolfgang Eisenmenger, Professor of Forensic Science at Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich.[117] Tests using DNA from one of his relatives identified the skull as that of Bormann.[117][118] Bormann's remains were cremated and the ashes were scattered in the Baltic Sea on 16 August 1999.[117]
LINK
And a news article about it from 1998
Posted on 12/16/15 at 9:57 am to TutHillTiger
Sounds like that show where those dude arse college students found a real mermaid.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:18 am to TutHillTiger
Why can't people simply enjoy arguing about interesting stuff like this?
Arguing over whether Hitler survived the war is supposed to be one of the most fun arguments to have while drinking at a bar or pub.
Arguing over whether Hitler survived the war is supposed to be one of the most fun arguments to have while drinking at a bar or pub.
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 10:40 am
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:19 am to sullivanct19a
quote:
They found all of the medicine he routinely took in Argentina.
so what you're trying to imply is that they found all of the medicine that Hitler routinely took, in one place? A place where he would have been living? Right?
Or are you just saying that any dumbass could go to Argentina and get these drugs at the store, so you can factually say "the medicine was found in Argentina"?
Argentina is a big place. Can you narrow down where they actually found this medicine?
Oh yeah, you're a naive moron that believes in ancient aliens, megalodon, mermaids, Loch Ness Monster in America, Russian Ape-Human hybrids, Dragons, Sasquatch, Bush blew up the levees and the twin towers, Bigfoot, ghosts, Noah's Ark and Ark of the Covenant still exists
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:21 am to Peazey
quote:
This thread is amusing.
What's so funny about world war 11? WW 12 will be worse.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:21 am to TutHillTiger
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:29 am to Champagne
quote:
Now, if you want to delve into a REAL mystery, look at the case of Martin Bormann. HIS whereabouts after the war are completely mysterious. He definitely fled the Fuhrerbunker, but, that's all we know for sure.
you may want to look a few posts up where I posted how it was proven back in the late 90's that he died in Berlin trying to escape.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:30 am to TutHillTiger
Oak Island, Hunting Hitler, Ax Men, and Pawn Stars is just entertainment, it isn't history. It doesn't even have to be real, it can be staged and usually is.
The Hunting Hitler show is so sophomoric. They contrive a scenario and then decide to go check it out and usually find some mysterious "clues" that they already knew were there.
The Hunting Hitler show is so sophomoric. They contrive a scenario and then decide to go check it out and usually find some mysterious "clues" that they already knew were there.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:31 am to Rhino5
quote:
What's so funny about world war 11? WW 12 will be worse.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:32 am to doubleb
What about that fake shark show that everyone believed!
My wife was even suckered and believed the whole made up thing!
Last year's two-hour special on Discovery, called "Megalodon: The Monster Shark Lives," convinced 70% of viewers that the giant prehistoric shark still existed even as outraged scientists insisted that the show was ludicrous and almost entirely fictional. It didn't help that Discovery made coy comments about the documentary being a legitimate contribution to scientific debate.
My wife was even suckered and believed the whole made up thing!
Last year's two-hour special on Discovery, called "Megalodon: The Monster Shark Lives," convinced 70% of viewers that the giant prehistoric shark still existed even as outraged scientists insisted that the show was ludicrous and almost entirely fictional. It didn't help that Discovery made coy comments about the documentary being a legitimate contribution to scientific debate.
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 10:34 am
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:35 am to tigerpimpbot
frick Hitler, but this is the most awesome sig pic in the history of sig pics.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:36 am to 68wDoc68w
quote:
because that medicine was indigenous to only Germany.
Do some homework instead of assuming that as a medic you know everything. You know TC3 and practically nothing more.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:41 am to Darth_Vader
quote:
you may want to look a few posts up where I posted how it was proven back in the late 90's that he died in Berlin trying to escape.
All fabricated evidence, Darth. Hitler is alive. They saved his brain.
Page 6 of 12
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News