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re: Toyota, Yamaha working on hydrogen-burning V8 engine. Is this the Tesla killer?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 6:41 am to Blutarsky
Posted on 2/24/22 at 6:41 am to Blutarsky
quote:You know one of my kids.
I was working with some hydrogen fuel cell UPS systems at NASA.
A 30kW system wasn’t small.
And vice-versa.
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 6:45 am to south by southwest
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I know that Elon has a loyal army of fan boys, but competition is coming and to think that they will all strike out and that we will all be driving Teslas is delusional and illogical.
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You do know that the only reason that Tesla is still in business is due to a decade of huge tax credits for electric vehicles.
Is the claim you’re referencing (which no one has made, btw) as delusional as saying the only reason the 6th largest company in the world is still in business is due to tax credits?
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 6:46 am
Posted on 2/24/22 at 7:01 am to south by southwest
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GM took the bailout money, didn't pay it back,and are moving plants to mexico and china as fast as they can.
And Fords are still a POS.
Guess the only American thing to do is buy a Dodge.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 7:08 am to Spelt it rong
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little saltwater and electrolysis... You get some bleach and hydrogen all in one. Power the engine that charges the battery that fuels the electrolyzers all while keeping our streets clean
Electrolysis of salt water (brine is the proper term you’re looking for as it is only NaCl) does not produce bleach and hydrogen. It produces chlorine gas (breaks down hydrochloric acid and hypochlorite ion when mixed with water) and caustic(NaOH).
If you want hydrogen, you need pure water. H2O. No other minerals dissolved in it.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 7:14 am to EA6B
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Most hydrogen is obtained by stripping it out of natural gas using steam reformation, it is far more efficient than electrolysis.
Where does the hydrogen come from? What molecules does it come from in a steam-methane reformer as you mentioned earlier?
Methane and Steam. Methane is natural gas. The process makes a lot of CO2. It’s not “green”. And while more efficient than say electrically powered cars, we could probably employ the same fuel cell technology with NatGas powered vehicles.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 7:24 am to south by southwest
I remember mass transit buses were the focus of hydrogen power in the '80's, so they do have a jump start on developing the technology.
Yamaha will do it right. The engines and transmissions they developed for the Taurus were solid units.
Yamaha will do it right. The engines and transmissions they developed for the Taurus were solid units.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 7:37 am
Posted on 2/24/22 at 7:26 am to tigerinthebueche
quote:I hope this was intended to be satire.
Guess the only American thing to do is buy a Dodge.
Dodge/RAM et al. are products of Stellantis, headquartered in the Netherlands.
Wiki link to Stellantis
Posted on 2/24/22 at 7:39 am to south by southwest
It's not, although I think Hydrogen will be pretty useful for other things like industrial/power plant fuel, shipping, and possibly jet fuel. I know you guys hate EV's but they will eventually circle the market, no matter how much you complain about it on the internet and that's coming from a guy who grew up in an O&G family.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 7:43 am to tigerinthebueche
quote:I know they're Japanese owned but Nissan and Toyota employ more American workers and buy more American made parts than any of the "American" car makers with a Detroit office.
Guess the only American thing to do is buy a Dodge.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:03 am to Korkstand
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The only application for which this makes sense is to use the excess (otherwise wasted) energy from offshore wind to produce hydrogen as grid storage.
I like that idea
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:24 am to Tigerfan56
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Is the claim you’re referencing (which no one has made, btw) as delusional as saying the only reason the 6th largest company in the world is still in business is due to tax credits?
Tesla nearly bit the dust numerous times in their history.
They would not have survived without the tax credits, period.
Billions from regulatory credits
In a tweet last year, Musk admitted that Tesla nearly was forced to file for bankruptcy as recently at 2019. The stock price that seems unstoppable today had been floundering among investor’s justified concern that the company was facing a cash crunch as it had difficulty ramping up production of its Model 3 sedan.
“Closest we got [to bankruptcy] was about a month ago,” he said in that 2020 tweet. “The Model 3 ramp was extreme stress & pain for a long time — from mid 2017 to mid 2019. Production & logistics hell.”
What Musk didn’t say was that one of the keys that kept the company alive was the sale of regulatory credits to other automakers.
Environmental regulations require companies that are not meeting emission standards to pay fines or buy credits generated by companies that comply with the rules. And no one had more of those credits to sell than all-electric Tesla.
Between 2008 and the first half of 2019, sales of regulatory credits generated more than $2 billion that was crucial to the company’s survival. And the increased car sales ever since have resulted in additional credits that Tesla sold for another $3 billion since June of 2019.
That allowed the company to show profits sooner than it would have without the credits, lifting the value of the stock. In fact it wasn’t until the second quarter this year that Tesla reported more in net income than it got from regulatory credit sales.
“It was really US taxpayers that helped get him through his roughest time,” said Dan Ives, tech analyst with Wedbush Securities who is a bull on Tesla shares — today. In 2019, he was still skeptical as the company struggled.
“If it didn’t have regulatory credits, Tesla would not be the brand it is around the globe, and Musk wouldn’t be the richest person in the world,” Ives said.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:26 am to DavidTheGnome
quote:Yeah me too. Wind energy is super cheap, but of course the major drawback is you either have to size the farm so small that its production never exceeds demand, or you risk wasting a lot of energy and investment by sizing it too big unless you can store the excess. Hydrogen might be a great option for grid-scale batteries. Or maybe we can store energy some other way, by submerging buoyant tanks for example.quote:I like that idea
The only application for which this makes sense is to use the excess (otherwise wasted) energy from offshore wind to produce hydrogen as grid storage.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:26 am to south by southwest
Didn't we try this before?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:34 am to BMoney
There already is an abundance of hydrogen available, it's called "The Sun", dumbshits.
Oh I know, all you geniuses are saying right now that the sun is too hot, and I'm the dumbshit.
Well D'UH, we just go at night.
Oh I know, all you geniuses are saying right now that the sun is too hot, and I'm the dumbshit.
Well D'UH, we just go at night.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:42 am to Limitlesstigers
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I know you guys hate EV's but they will eventually circle the market, no matter how much you complain about it on the internet and that's coming from a guy who grew up in an O&G family.
Not before the technology seriously improves. I know you think people here hate EV, it's a popular yet dishonest and ignorant narrative you and others have built for yourselves, but the real issue is with forced adoption of immature technologies and the scientifically illiterate talking points used to justify such.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:46 am to south by southwest
If you were to combine production of the hydrogen fueled ICE, and the hydrogen powered Fuel Cell Electric Vehicles...you would be moving both platforms (ICE and EV) to a common fuel source. One that can be generated from Natural Gas.
Who is the biggest producer of Natural Gas in the world right now? We are.
Who is second? Russia
What is the difference in annual production? A 5hit-load. We produce about 1.5 times as much as Russia per year.
If we were to move even a portion of our vehicle fuel usage from gasoline produced by crude oil to hydrogen produced from Natural Gas, it could have a huge ripple effect on international oil prices, and it could help move the US even closer to energy independence.
Who is the biggest producer of Natural Gas in the world right now? We are.
Who is second? Russia
What is the difference in annual production? A 5hit-load. We produce about 1.5 times as much as Russia per year.
If we were to move even a portion of our vehicle fuel usage from gasoline produced by crude oil to hydrogen produced from Natural Gas, it could have a huge ripple effect on international oil prices, and it could help move the US even closer to energy independence.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:14 am to Limitlesstigers
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I know you guys hate EV's but they will eventually circle the market, no matter how much you complain about it on the internet and that's coming from a guy who grew up in an O&G family.
I can’t see it in my lifetime, the next 40 years. I see so many problems with EVs. For example, hurricane hits and electric grid is down, you can’t move because you don’t have access to electricity. Take a trip and you have to schedule recharge stops. If everyone starts charging their car we will have rolling blackouts due to high demand.
Can all of this be overcome? Yeah, but it will take trillions, decades, and competence from government. So, not in my lifetime
Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:17 am to cssamerican
Not this shite again lol
Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:39 am to Macfly
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I remember mass transit buses were the focus of hydrogen power in the '80's, so they do have a jump start on developing the technology.
Yamaha will do it right. The engines and transmissions they developed for the Taurus were solid units.
No, not really. Hydrogen as a fuel source for vehicles is not anywhere close to as feasible as some of you imagine. Liquefied hydrogen is energy intensive to produce, transfer, and store. For all that hydrogen has extremely good kWh/kg by itself, once combined with a suitable pressure vessel and plumbing it plummets to a point lower than a LNG source.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:01 am to madmaxvol
quote:But it's cheaper to burn the natural gas in a plant and charge an EV than it is to produce, store, and transport the hydrogen needed to drive the same distance.
If we were to move even a portion of our vehicle fuel usage from gasoline produced by crude oil to hydrogen produced from Natural Gas, it could have a huge ripple effect on international oil prices, and it could help move the US even closer to energy independence.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 10:19 am
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