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re: Tylenol beat Trump by eight years.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:37 am to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:37 am to BluegrassBelle
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Where is the data that states this specific statement? And does it account for changes in diagnostic criteria for ASD in the same general timeframe?
Ask the guy who posted it…
I know everyone is going to their corners on this issue because of politics, but the fact stands that we have a gargantuan problem in this country with autism. And while some of it can be explained with improvement in diagnoses compared to 50 years ago, that doesn’t come close to explaining the huge surge in autism numbers seen in the past 30 years.
I’m not saying Tylenol is causing it, or what is causing it. But, if what AusomeSauce is true, and there is really a 20-30% increase in instances of spectrum disorders in infants exposed to Tylenol, I’d suggest there should be some really in-depth study on the matter. Frankly, I find it shocking it hasn’t already happened.
People need to put their political beliefs aside on this matter and get to the bottom of the matter.
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:37 am to mmmmmbeeer
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My dude….use your brain.
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Posted by mmmmmbeeer 9/24/25 at 11:36 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:38 am to Darth_Vader
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And while some of it can be explained with improvement in diagnoses compared to 50 years ago, that doesn’t come close to explaining the huge surge in autism numbers seen in the past 30 years.
why not?
serious question, not trying to bait you
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:39 am to Epic Cajun
quote:Trump said really really dumbass crazy things the other day. That isn’t the media “picking it apart”.
You’re not sure why the media will pick apart anything that Trump ever says?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:40 am to Darth_Vader
quote:This isn’t me being a dick. But your affinity for building toy plane models as an adult could easily get you diagnosed with “autism” today. It’s just impossible to compare to historical trends
Darth_Vader
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:40 am to Salmon
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But when you see a 20-30% increase in the instances of spectrum disorders in infants who’ve been given Acetaminophen, that is a hell of a lot of correlation.
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but utterly useless if not controlled for other variables
Again, I understand all that. I’m not saying Tylenol needs to be pulled from the shelves. What I am causing is the study that apparently has not happened needs to be happening now. It boggles my mind it hasn’t already been studied. If it had, this conversation would not even be happening now. We’d already know either Tylenol is safe for infants, or it’s not.
How is this even a political issue??
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:42 am to Darth_Vader
quote:Trumps insane rambling and declarative statements the other day made it one. For once it truly is his fault this became a shite show
How is this even a political issue??
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:46 am to Darth_Vader
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What I am causing is the study that apparently has not happened needs to be happening now. It boggles my mind it hasn’t already been studied. If it had, this conversation would not even be happening now. We’d already know either Tylenol is safe for infants, or it’s not.
Isn't that already happening? The Harvard study posted previously gave recommendations on how guidance should be adapted. That's not political, nor is it being covered up.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:46 am to Darth_Vader
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How is this even a political issue??
It shouldn't be
I'm certainly not making it political quote:
It boggles my mind it hasn’t already been studied.
There have been thousands of studies on autism. It is extremely difficult to isolate all variables on disorders such as autism.
And again, these things have been studied, but not all studies are created equal and the data isn't always "this is good" or "this is bad", its "well its complicated".
More data is always better. If anything, this will drive more awareness and more funding to more studies and we can get better answers.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:49 am to Salmon
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There have been thousands of studies on autism. It is extremely difficult to isolate all variables on disorders such as autism.
And again, these things have been studied, but not all studies are created equal and the data isn't always "this is good" or "this is bad", its "well its complicated".
More data is always better. If anything, this will drive more awareness and more funding to more studies and we can get better answers.
I think the issue is that people are wanting a silver bullet study. Something that comes out and says "exactly 20 Tylenol = AUTISM, your kid will come out of the womb able to name every train!" That's never what a study is going to do, especially for something as complicated as this
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:51 am to lsupride87
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Trumps insane rambling and declarative statements the other day made it one. For once it truly is his fault this became a shite show
I haven’t seen what he said, so I can’t speak to that.
But let’s sit that aside. If, what that user said is true and there is a 20-30% increase of spectrum disorders in infants given Tylenol, should there not have already been studies done on why there is such an increase? Sure, it could be other factors. But shouldn’t we be trying to figure out what those factors might be? Is it that the use of Tylenol in conjunction with other things increases the risk of autism? How is this avenue not being studied?
And if I’m wrong, please tell me. I’ve not thought about Tylenol and small Children in over 15 years. And I’ve never heard of any dangers with Tylenol. But it does concern me that
1. Tylenol said in 2017 they don’t recommend it be used during pregnancy.
2. Tylenol said in 2019 they haven’t studied it’s use during pregnancy
3. There apparently is a 20-30% increase in instances of autism in infants exposed to Tylenol (unless that guy is lying)
I think there should at least be some study on the matter.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:52 am to Darth_Vader
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I’m not saying Tylenol needs to be pulled from the shelves. What I am causing is the study that apparently has not happened needs to be happening now. It boggles my mind it hasn’t already been studied. If it had, this conversation would not even be happening now. We’d already know either Tylenol is safe for infants, or it’s not.
there is a reason nearly everything has "if pregnant consult a doctor before taking"
The risks of running studies on pregnant women is too high
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:52 am to Darth_Vader
quote:Its being studied all the time. What makes you think it isn’t?
But let’s sit that aside. If, what that user said is true and there is a 20-30% increase of spectrum disorders in infants given Tylenol, should there not have already been studies done on why there is such an increase? Sure, it could be other factors. But shouldn’t we be trying to figure out what those factors might be? Is it that the use of Tylenol in conjunction with other things increases the risk of autism? How is this avenue not being studied?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:54 am to Darth_Vader
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1. Tylenol said in 2017 they don’t recommend it be used during pregnancy.
2. Tylenol said in 2019 they haven’t studied it’s use during pregnancy
I think these 2 are CYA lawyer speak. Just about everything has a label that says to check with your doctor if you're pregnant, or trying to get pregnant. It's an ethics issue to do lots of studies on pregnant women, so they're stuck with observational ones and have to correct for other factors. That's why Salmon is saying it's such a complicated think to single out.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:54 am to Darth_Vader
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If that’s true and Tylenol said in 2019 they’ve not tested their drug to be used during pregnancy, I have to ask what everyone who’s categorically stating Tylenol is safe during pregnancy is basing their assertion on?
Even Tylenol said it wasnt known if it was safe during pregnancy and, two years prior to the tweet you shared, said that it doesn't recommend Tylenol to be used during pregnancy.
What are you trying to prove with this?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:56 am to Darth_Vader
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Ask the guy who posted it…
You supported it as a factual statement. I'm asking you.
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I know everyone is going to their corners on this issue because of politics, but the fact stands that we have a gargantuan problem in this country with autism. And while some of it can be explained with improvement in diagnoses compared to 50 years ago, that doesn’t come close to explaining the huge surge in autism numbers seen in the past 30 years.
I’m not saying Tylenol is causing it, or what is causing it. But, if what AusomeSauce is true, and there is really a 20-30% increase in instances of spectrum disorders in infants exposed to Tylenol, I’d suggest there should be some really in-depth study on the matter. Frankly, I find it shocking it hasn’t already happened.
People need to put their political beliefs aside on this matter and get to the bottom of the matter.
An easy look at the history of the diagnostic criteria of identifying/diagnosing those with ASD will tell you we got better at identifying it therefore a climb in diagnosis is a reasonable symptom of that. There was a pretty dramatic change in criteria from being lumped in as Childhood Schizophrenia to Autism Spectrum Diagnosis. You're vastly understating it.
Twin studies for example shower a higher correlation that is genetic and would explain a rise as folks with ASD are likely producing children with others who also have ASD.
This BBC article gets deeper into the research and potential treatments coming from that correlation relationship as well.
As far as the Tylenol study is concerned, a lot of it hinges on the improper use of Tylenol in pregnancy beyond advertised dosing. As Salmon said earlier, anything that can be toxic at the right dose beyond the therapeutic threshold.
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:56 am to Darth_Vader
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ut the fact stands that we have a gargantuan problem in this country with autism
We do? I can think of 123409834 other problems that plague more people than autism.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:57 am to Darth_Vader
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1. Tylenol said in 2017 they don’t recommend it be used during pregnancy.
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2. Tylenol said in 2019 they haven’t studied it’s use during pregnancy
This is logical. Tylenol hadn't studied it in 2017, thus they didn't recommend it. In 2019 it said that they'd like to study, hey....because, as they said back in 2017, they hadn't studied it for safe use by pregnant women.
I don't understand your malfunction on this.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:57 am to Cell of Awareness
Is this why they have so many retards running around.. All of these self diagnosed autism kids (not talking about the kids who actually has autism, I am talking about the ones whose mom says that to justify why their kids act like wild banshees). Their mothers took Tylenol?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:58 am to Darth_Vader
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People need to put their political beliefs aside on this matter and get to the bottom of the matter.
Cast a wider net and you'll catch more fish.
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