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re: Why isn’t the Pensacola metro area a larger city than it is?
Posted on 1/12/26 at 10:47 am to SoFla Tideroller
Posted on 1/12/26 at 10:47 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Didn't someone collect all the memorabilia from Trader Jon's and showcase it somewhere?
I think some local law firm bought it up and donated it to the museum
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I would love to go back in time and walk into Trader Jon's and see it again. Hell, it was a naval aviation time capsule
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Posted on 1/12/26 at 10:50 am to XenScott
quote:natural.
Pensacola Bay is the deepest natural port in the gulf
upon further research, carriers drafts are on the low side of average drafts of container ships.
quote:so do most ports outside of the ones on the river.
It also has a very short inland run to the port from the gulf.
quote:well there you go.... and you would need to increase draft capacity.
The reason is it is not bigger is because the facilities do not, and will never handle container ships. The city will never allow container ship type facilities. They want the port to be a small specialty port, not a major shipping location.
Posted on 1/12/26 at 11:01 am to tigertrueAU
Unfortunate geography.
Turpentine from pine trees was the last major industry across the MS, AL, FL Gulf coast, and it was mostly dead by 1920. With few or no significant hydrocarbons in the region there was no follow-on chemical/petroleum industry. The cut over pine forest are poor for agriculture but good for military operations which have not spun off a significant local industry.
The political center of those 3 states has always been centered elsewhere, and coastal matters were often left up to the somewhat criminal coastal politicians. For ports to thrive they need to serve import and export markets. Mobile has done that a bit. New Orleans does it in spades. Pensacola only has I-10 for transport...which the other cities and Houston offer as well.
The climate there is quite good, but just down the FL peninsula life is almost frost free.
Turpentine from pine trees was the last major industry across the MS, AL, FL Gulf coast, and it was mostly dead by 1920. With few or no significant hydrocarbons in the region there was no follow-on chemical/petroleum industry. The cut over pine forest are poor for agriculture but good for military operations which have not spun off a significant local industry.
The political center of those 3 states has always been centered elsewhere, and coastal matters were often left up to the somewhat criminal coastal politicians. For ports to thrive they need to serve import and export markets. Mobile has done that a bit. New Orleans does it in spades. Pensacola only has I-10 for transport...which the other cities and Houston offer as well.
The climate there is quite good, but just down the FL peninsula life is almost frost free.
Posted on 1/12/26 at 11:03 am to LSUneaux
Because Mobile is so close and at least historically had more going on and was the main center of gravity for the region. I feel like it’s similar to how Baton Rouge can never seem to get out of New Orleans’ shadow because of how close it is.
Posted on 1/12/26 at 11:05 am to Centinel
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I could answer you sir, but I would face a rather lengthy vacation from this rather astute gathering of gentlemen.
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Total Population: Around 54,000.
Racial Makeup: Roughly 67.5% White, 21.2% Black/African American, with smaller percentages of Asian, multiracial, and other groups.
Hispanic/Latino: A notable presence, though smaller than White and Black populations.
Posted on 1/12/26 at 11:11 am to Tree_Fall
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Turpentine from pine trees was the last major industry across the MS, AL, FL Gulf coast, and it was mostly dead by 1920.
I would say pulp and paper was and is the major industry for that region. Pensacola still has their paper mill. Panama City just closed theirs. AL, MS, and GA are littered with them.
Posted on 1/12/26 at 11:12 am to LSUneaux
The Chinese restaurants in NW Pensacola have really good hot and sour soup.
Posted on 1/12/26 at 11:13 am to 777Tiger
Used to play golf at the NAS P'cola course (really good military golf course) while in flight school. As a 2ndLt, I loved playing with all the retirees. They had a bunch of interesting stories from the early jet age on carriers. But, those are for another thread one day.
Posted on 1/12/26 at 11:17 am to Rrrrroger
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LOVE Pensacola, elite beach destination
No, Pensacola is not a beach destination.
Pensacola Beach is a beach destination, but it is ~10 miles away from Pensacola.
Posted on 1/12/26 at 11:19 am to SoFla Tideroller
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hey had a bunch of interesting stories from the early jet age on carriers.
I love hanging around those old dudes, what am I saying? I'm the old dude now, I go to a lot of River Rat/Vietnam ex-POW(mainly AF,) reunions and I can't get enough of their old stories, and some of them I can almost recite from memory
the government sends all of them to P'cola once a year for psych/med exams just to "monitor" their progress, as a group they are some of the healthiest, most mentally sharp, lowest incidence of PTSD veterans groups out there
Posted on 1/12/26 at 11:25 am to 777Tiger
Yep. Listening to them talk about the transition from the prop age to jets in the Navy was great. Especially when you're just driving the T-34C.
Posted on 1/12/26 at 11:27 am to SoFla Tideroller
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transition from the prop age to jets in the Navy was great.
carrier qual was extremely hazardous duty back then(always is to an extent,) but there was a lot of OTJ training in every aspect of that
Posted on 1/12/26 at 11:31 am to LSUneaux
There are geographic limitations to expansion in Pensacola. That region is also indirectly competing with Tampa Bay, Mobile, New Orleans/Baton Rouge, and even Houston for major industrial growth.
Posted on 1/12/26 at 11:35 am to Bama and Beer
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you can get yourself in the ghetto in the blink of an eye
I grew up in Montgomery, and I have lived in Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, and Nashville. I now live in Pensacola, and the ghettos here aren't in the same ballpark as those places. There are plenty of zonked out zombies walking around, and poverty, but it doesn't hold a candle to the aforementioned places.
Posted on 1/12/26 at 11:36 am to Funky Tide 8
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There are plenty of zonked out zombies walking around,
he wasn't talking about the spring breakers, baw
Posted on 1/12/26 at 11:36 am to LSUneaux
From Baton Rouge, I can drive to Pensacola Beach in roughly the same amount of time I can drive to Gulf Shores .
I've never understood why people choose to vacation in Gulf Shores over Pensacola Beach.
Posted on 1/12/26 at 11:37 am to Shexter
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I've never understood why people choose to vacation in Gulf Shores over Pensacola Beach.
this
Posted on 1/12/26 at 11:40 am to UtahCajun
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Sorry baw, if you think Pensacola is an elite beach destination, you need to travel more.
Pensacola beach and the Gulf Islands Nat'l Seashore over to Navarre Beach is one of the prettiest stretches of beach in America, especially considering there are minimal high rises, and miles of undeveloped, pristine, protected beach where you can basically pick a spot and have the whole beach to yourself with no condos obstructing your view. I think that the water color and clarity is as pretty or prettier than any other beach in America.
This post was edited on 1/12/26 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 1/12/26 at 11:58 am to Funky Tide 8
Navarre is a top 5 American beach
Posted on 1/12/26 at 12:01 pm to Funky Tide 8
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I think that the water color and clarity is as pretty or prettier than any other beach in America.
from an esthetic standpoint you're spot on, but because of the proximity and ease of access to all of the regional trailer trash it really drags the experience down
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