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Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:00 am to AlxTgr
quote:
How can it not?
So...you can't explain it?
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:14 am to Scoob
The ATF making laws! Another example of our government by passing the law making process of the Constitution. We should all be very afraid. What's next.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:11 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Pretty sure anyone can, but you are always intellectually dishonest, so engaging is not worth anyone's time.
So...you can't explain it?
Speaking of, I have been waiting for a rep to try this. Pistol Act.
This would be awesome:
quote:
. For purposes of the preceding sentence,
14 such term shall not include a pistol equipped with a rear
15 brace or rear attachment which can be used to assist the
16 shooter in controlling the pistol, even if such brace or attachment can also be placed against the shoulder.’’.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:15 am to AlxTgr
quote:
Pretty sure anyone can
Except you, it seems.
Maybe it's because you know what's going to happen if you do. Or, maybe I'm giving you too much credit.
Either way, maybe stop making points you can't defend if you're after an honest discussion.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:21 am to TrueTiger
quote:
Creating new criminals out of some of our best citizens.
That's what communists do. Flip society where wrong is right, rich is poor, and good citizens are lined up against a wall and shot.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:10 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Huh?
Maybe it's because you know what's going to happen if you do.
quote:You mean that a short-barreled rifle (SBR) is not defined by the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA) as a shoulder-fired, rifled firearm, made from a rifle, with a barrel length of less than 16 inches or overall length of less than 26 inches, or a handgun fitted with a buttstock and a barrel shorter than 16 inches in length?
Either way, maybe stop making points you can't defend
Why do you think the above amendment is necessary? I really hope it's just that you're not following.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:21 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
You mean that a short-barreled rifle (SBR) is not defined by the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA) as a shoulder-fired, rifled firearm, made from a rifle, with a barrel length of less than 16 inches or overall length of less than 26 inches, or a handgun fitted with a buttstock and a barrel shorter than 16 inches in length?
Nope.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:22 pm to AlxTgr
Just seems like there's people on this board incapable of NOT arguing, just for the sake of arguing.
I started this thread, because the new rule has been published in the registry. The 120 day clock to move into compliance started that day.
This is a big deal, because there are millions of braced pistols out there; millions of citizens owning them. And there's really not much of a public notice being made.
It doesn't really matter what we think of the rule; and I suspect every single owner would disagree with it. I do, for the record.
Our disagreement will not be a legal defense, if it passes the expected challenges.
We need some way to keep people informed, and not confused. The back-and-forth arguments just confuse the matter.
Has there been any actual stay granted on this?
I started this thread, because the new rule has been published in the registry. The 120 day clock to move into compliance started that day.
This is a big deal, because there are millions of braced pistols out there; millions of citizens owning them. And there's really not much of a public notice being made.
It doesn't really matter what we think of the rule; and I suspect every single owner would disagree with it. I do, for the record.
Our disagreement will not be a legal defense, if it passes the expected challenges.
We need some way to keep people informed, and not confused. The back-and-forth arguments just confuse the matter.
Has there been any actual stay granted on this?
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:23 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
DisplacedBuckeye
Im lost. What are you talking about?
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:47 pm to kengel2
He truly has a dizzying intellect.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:54 pm to kengel2
quote:
Im lost. What are you talking about?
This...
quote:
The problem is, this issue is actually covered by a statute passed by Congress. That's why they do have power. Had the ATF come up with the prohibition in the first place, they would not.
...is bullshite.
AlxTgr refuses to lay it out for a reason.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:53 pm to One More Shot
quote:
Information grab is all this is
My thought too, trick a lot a non NFA new gun owners into submitting easier to access info that had no intention of making it a SBR or any other NFA items.
However I already have several suppressors and I intended to SBR a handful of my pistols too. So it is tempting for me to try and grab some free stamps. I just cant see the angle on how it would differ from the normal paid suppressor/SBRs other than a different folder on a desktop for them to search through. That and when the rule is overturned in the courts will they void all the SBR stamps and just "get rid of the registered info"***wink wink. Again though I am already in the NFA system and would still go back and SBR a few.
I put my possibilities on my trust paperwork before they posted the ruling so I am sitting around and seeing how it unfolds.
There have been some of the free stamps coming back already. It comes without a stamp because no tax was paid, but I gather that's normal.
This post was edited on 2/8/23 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 2/8/23 at 5:29 pm to NOLAGT
quote:So, some have already been approved?
There have been some of the free stamps coming back already. It comes without a stamp because no tax was paid, but I gather that's normal.
Do you have links to that? I'd really like to learn more.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 2:33 pm to NOLAGT
Posted on 2/11/23 at 8:37 am to finchmeister08
That statue outlines rifles/shotguns under 18" yet exempts pistols & revolvers.
It doesn't describe exactly what a pistol is. The contention is if the ATF tells me I have a pistol because that is what it was sold to me as. Then, after the sale, the ATF comes back and says that is a rifle, you have a rifle under 18".
Serious question, does that statue, or any other, outline what a pistol is? I honestly don't know.
It doesn't describe exactly what a pistol is. The contention is if the ATF tells me I have a pistol because that is what it was sold to me as. Then, after the sale, the ATF comes back and says that is a rifle, you have a rifle under 18".
Serious question, does that statue, or any other, outline what a pistol is? I honestly don't know.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:35 pm to Junky
Posted on 2/14/23 at 11:05 am to finchmeister08
Questions about required fingerprints-
If one has already been "fingerprinted" for a requirement in the past, is that record available for submission for the NFA application (or other actions, such as applying for a CCL)? Or is that something you have to go through for each one?
If you decide to apply for the SBR route, do you need to obtain a set of prints for every submission, or is it something you can "combine"?
Example- you own multiple pistols, you submit to SBR one of them now and keep the other as a pistol. In March, you decide to submit the other- do you need a new set?
In June, you decide to apply for a CCL, and need a set of prints. Do you need yet another set?
I'm asking about prints on MY end, needing to go to State Police office and having it done. Is that something I could consolidate, so that "taking my prints" would be a one-time event, instead of doing it each time?
Can they pull and use the prints they already have on file?
If one has already been "fingerprinted" for a requirement in the past, is that record available for submission for the NFA application (or other actions, such as applying for a CCL)? Or is that something you have to go through for each one?
If you decide to apply for the SBR route, do you need to obtain a set of prints for every submission, or is it something you can "combine"?
Example- you own multiple pistols, you submit to SBR one of them now and keep the other as a pistol. In March, you decide to submit the other- do you need a new set?
In June, you decide to apply for a CCL, and need a set of prints. Do you need yet another set?
I'm asking about prints on MY end, needing to go to State Police office and having it done. Is that something I could consolidate, so that "taking my prints" would be a one-time event, instead of doing it each time?
Can they pull and use the prints they already have on file?
Posted on 2/14/23 at 11:46 am to Scoob
For NFA items you can just do the prints on a kiosk for each application. For CCL your sheriff should be able to do as many cards as you’re willing to pay for. Last time I had to send my print cards w my app if memory serves me right (CCL).
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